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Talk but not walk?

Hi Guys

This isn't meant to start a fight, but it is important to on lookers. As a qualifier, I have my own audio forum where we report on audio issues as we empirically test them. It helps us short cut on theories and developing methods of listening. We have a wide range of systems and they are all over the world adding their experiences to the mix. Some are engineers, some are artist and others are audiophiles both new and old. One question I am almost always asked while I am visiting other forums, from some of my members and also members of the forum I am visiting is, why do so many HEA hobbyist talk theory without any, or very limited, empirical testing or experience?

I have been around empirical testing labs since I was a kid, and one thing that is certain is, you can always tell if someone is talking without walking. Right now on this forum there are easily 20 threads going on where folks are talking theory and there is absolutely no doubt to any of us who have actually done the testing needed, that the guy talking has never done the actual empirical testing themselves. I've seen this happen with HEA reviewers and designers and a ton of hobbyist. My question is this, why?

You would think that this hobby would be about listening and experience, so why are there so many myths created and why, in this hobby in particular, do people claim they know something without ever experimenting or being part of a team of empirical science folks. It's not that hard to setup a real empirical testing ground, so why don't we see this happen?

I'm not asking for peoples credentials, and I'm not asking to be trolled, I'm simply asking why talk and not walk? In many ways HEA is on pause while the rest of audio innovation is moving forward. I'm also not asking you guys to defend HEA, we've all heard it been there done it. What I'm asking is a very simple question in a hobby that is suppose to be based on "doing", why fake it?

thanks, be polite

Michael Green

www.michaelgreenaudio.net


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glupson
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geoffkait,

If you feel the need to pick on people and belittle them in some way, pick a topic you are good at. Why do you like being a mole who gets "whacked" on his own turf? For now, abstain from picking on minor errors in English writing. Particularly when it comes to people whose names here have no real English words in it. Like uberwaltz, glupson, and maybe a few others. It is embarrassing that you pick on English details and then get corrected by someone who learned English during two after-school 45-minute sessions every week. In elementary school. Try to grow up like many of us have.
glupson
7,842 posts
 
After handymann mentioned Carl Tatz, I looked him (Carl Tatz) up on the Internet. He seems to have more realistic approach than what we have seen elsewhere.

"You cannot create something as intimate as a home screening room without understanding how it fits in with the client’s lifestyle,"

Needless to say, all the equipment has covers on and there are no wires exposed or in the way. What he may lose in sound, he gains in livability and potential for wider acceptance. That may be the biggest mistake of Michael Green’s approach to sound improvement.
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uberwaltz
13,381 posts
 
I too actually researched Carl Tatz, interesting to say the least.

And don't worry about Katie, he likes to blow hot and cold and needs a punching bag to get through the day.

And as for examples of the QUEENS English, I find that all too funny.
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geoffkait
23,365 posts
 
Pop quiz Oh boy! 😀

Define “realistic approach.” Multiple choice.

1. Something easily acceptable to a clean slate or pseudo skeptic.

2. Something acceptable to someone who actually gave up on audio a long time ago who who thinks most ordinary people would agree with.

3. Something easily understood by folks with a GED or English majors.

4. Something perpetrated by Books on How to Improve your Sound.

5. An approach supported by AES.

6. All of the above

Perhaps a prize for the winner...hmmmmm?
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geoffkait
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I can certainly understand how Carl Tutz or whatever his name is could fit into someone’s lifestyle. Especially is that lifestyle consists of sitting around listening to music all day long in an undershirt drinking beer. One imagines he would employ empty beer bottles as Helmholtz resonators scattered nonchalantly around the room.
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