Talk but not walk?
Hi Guys
This isn't meant to start a fight, but it is important to on lookers. As a qualifier, I have my own audio forum where we report on audio issues as we empirically test them. It helps us short cut on theories and developing methods of listening. We have a wide range of systems and they are all over the world adding their experiences to the mix. Some are engineers, some are artist and others are audiophiles both new and old. One question I am almost always asked while I am visiting other forums, from some of my members and also members of the forum I am visiting is, why do so many HEA hobbyist talk theory without any, or very limited, empirical testing or experience?
I have been around empirical testing labs since I was a kid, and one thing that is certain is, you can always tell if someone is talking without walking. Right now on this forum there are easily 20 threads going on where folks are talking theory and there is absolutely no doubt to any of us who have actually done the testing needed, that the guy talking has never done the actual empirical testing themselves. I've seen this happen with HEA reviewers and designers and a ton of hobbyist. My question is this, why?
You would think that this hobby would be about listening and experience, so why are there so many myths created and why, in this hobby in particular, do people claim they know something without ever experimenting or being part of a team of empirical science folks. It's not that hard to setup a real empirical testing ground, so why don't we see this happen?
I'm not asking for peoples credentials, and I'm not asking to be trolled, I'm simply asking why talk and not walk? In many ways HEA is on pause while the rest of audio innovation is moving forward. I'm also not asking you guys to defend HEA, we've all heard it been there done it. What I'm asking is a very simple question in a hobby that is suppose to be based on "doing", why fake it?
thanks, be polite
Michael Green
www.michaelgreenaudio.net
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Ok so let me try something that may actually be construed as a contribution. Unless you are lucky enough to live on your own with no housely or wifely constraints on how your stereo is laid out, a lot of what MG talks about is just not practical. In addition I am not about to add potential fire hazards into my home! Now I do not dispute some of these tricks may have a result but will never happen in my house. I did hear from a member I respect that removing the cover to his 2170 did result in an improvement and again I do not dispute that occurrence. However with a pack of highly inquisitive Savannah cats roaming the house an open cover is a recipe for one to decide its open warfare on the innards! Now moving on to blocks of wood et al and impact on sound, yes I will go ing with that too, but..... How do I know that the new changed sounds are even close to what the artists or engineers aimed for? What if all these changes are taking the sq to areas that were never envisioned or intended? The question is where would you stop? What is the goal? How far do you think is needed to "walk the walk"? Just some thoughts..... |
Agreed in that no way many could have rooms as shown on Tuneland. I did post on Tuneland that I could not add all those platforms and wood pieces around my room. That may be why I am not getting any help there. Those are pretty strange looking spaces that will not accommodate others in the same space. I bet the rooms and music sounds very good. |
Just because it looks strange is no reason to assume it will sound good. Maybe it will sound strange. The Wizard of Oz was no wizard at all. Gandolf on the other hand...... http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-7M4frMcLFUI/VMe6K2zm-LI/AAAAAAAAALo/THJrf1gS57M/s1600/Hobbit%2Bgandalf.JPG Is walking wizardry? |
You can not (rpt not) tell anything about the sound from a picture. You CAN tell if the person is a neat freak, a slob or an interior decorator, or if his wife is uh, you know, an issue. A neat organized room is no indication of a good sounding system, it’s no indication of how the system sounds. It’s pretty to think so, though. 🌸 It’s like walking into a room at CES or wherever. No matter what the room looks like OR what speakers or electronics or cables are in the room you won’t know what the system sounds like until they play something. On the other hand, if you spot a bunch of tiny little bowls on the walls, a Mpingo disc here and there, maybe some Corner Tunes, suspended cables, an iso stand and some large crystals placed discretely around the room.... |
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