martin logan vs magnepan sound

I owned the smaller M-L Aerius i's a few years back, and heard some of the larger models at the dealer's. Got to hear a Audio Research VT100 hooked up to both a pair of M-L Requests AND a larger pair of Maggies (forget the model number - 1.3 maybe?) for comparison. Both sounded reeeeal nice. My overall impression of the M-L's (at the dealer's and at home) was that their perspective to me sounds like you are listening to a good band that is in the next room through an open doorway, while the Maggies have more of the in-the-room perspective you'd expect from a dynamic speaker, but "disappear" surprisingly well for such imposing, 6 foot tall speakers. They were also placed WELL into the room (~ 4 ft.) to sound their best, which might not be practical in many home situations.
Could have lived with either, but not in my room sticking 4 feet into the room. Tried out many different speakers before settling on Wilson-Benesch Arc stand-mounted monitors.

both are still at the top of theie game, but maggies seem to get that loyalty that only a handful of companies get in this fickled hobby. even the inexpensive mmg plays with the kind of realism that collectible/expensive quads are famous for.

When I had to make that choice, I took the Maggies. As many other pointed out, they require a beefy amplifier. I was running them with a Sim Audio W5 and it was a very good match. Today, I would add on my ESL (or quasi ESL for the Maggies...)selection the new series of QUAD 2805 and 2905. These are really superior to the Maggies and ML in every sense. They are the best speakers you could get in the mid frequencies and very easy to drive.

I'm driving a pair of Magnepan MG12QR's with a 35 watt tube amp (Tom Tutay modified/Sound Valves input tweaked by Tom) and a VanAlstine Super PAS3si (VanAlstine Design not Dyna)along with an Oppo 980 and Scott Nixon Tube DAC. It is amazing. I have owned many speakers systems the past 2 years from $500 to $5000 and this is the best sound I have had in a very long time. My room is 14' x13' and I have a 14'ceiling.

In the right room Maggies can give you a presentation that will be very good and maybe not world class but it will leave you feeling great about your purchase. I have heard the Absolute Sound had a review ont he MG12's in the December issue. Check it out. And no, I didn't think the
ST 70 would drive them initially.

If I do come across a Moscode amp or VA hybrid or Counterpoint I may sit the Dynaco aside. But for right now the only benefit I could get is playing it louder and maybe a little tighter bass. The midrange and top end are
killer.

as a quad 63 owner and magnepan 1.6 owner, i find the magnepans somewhat peaky in the upper mids/lower treble. while they are highly resolving, they are more inaccurate than the martin logans in the same frequency region. the quad esl is closer to timbral correctness than the newer quads. there has been a degredation in sound in the quads, starting with the 63s, 988/989 and 2805/2905, in comparison to the original quad.

the older martin logans--the cls 2 z, the sequel, the sequel 2, the quest and request, are less flawed in the middle of the midrange on up than the quads and magnepans. the problem with the hybrids is integration.

the apogee duetta signatures should also be considered in this discussion even though not technically a subject of this thread. it is possible that the hew clx will be superior to the quads and magnepans.