Thiel Owners

Perhaps a little off subject here but I just stumbled upon a “new” product from McIntosh, the MA252 Hybrid Integrated amplifier.  

While it has been stated here that some Mc amps limit current - a definite drawback to those of us who’ve owned or own Thiels - this new thing puts out 100 watts into 8 ohms and 160 into 4;  nothing is mentioned in the literature regarding their famous/infamous autoformers.  Admittedly the piece is super cool looking as well. I suspect some constraints on current delivery because every other amp I’ve owned pretty much doubled down into 4 ohm loads. 

I mention this first because while I love the look of McIntosh I am not necessarily a fan.  I found their customer service to be extremely lacking when I had a minor issue with an MC275 Mark VI amp, and I truly found the 6700 receiver to be a disappointment. That being said, this little beauty goes for $3500 full retail - a veritable bargain in terms of McIntosh given the power rating and features.  Sheesh. 

It IS purty. 

Anyone here with McIntosh/Thiel?

PS:  This is by far and away the best thread in the A’gon forums.  The recent addition of Tom has been amazing.  Carry on!

I hasten to add that while the addition of Tom’s technical insight to Thiel excellence is equally fascinating and utterly insightful, I am a total ignoramus in this regard. Is it reassuring or disappointing that mere “consumers” can “get it” just by hearing them for the first time?

Hmmm....

Ob, the Mac you cite is current-limited by definition. If it doesn't double from 8 to 4, that means there is insufficient power to do so, whatever combination that power comes from storage capacitors (instantaneous) or transformers (sustained). Beyond that doubling, the power into 2 ohms is most germane. Many Thiel speakers dip near 2 ohms over extended ranges. You need at least 3x the 8-ohm power into 2 ohms and preferably a second doubling (4x).

Now, it's possible that you listen at low volume in a small, lively playback room . . . and less power is adequate . . . but, you're playing with fire if you ever wanted to crank it up. 

If I were looking, I would not put that Mac amp on my list due to self-admitted current limitation.