Pro-Ject Pre Box S2 Digital: MQA HW decoding at reasonable cost -Anyone have this?


I am throwing my system thru the paces of some reasonable upgrades and found some intriguing reviews on this DAC.
 http://www.box-designs.com/main.php?prod=preboxs2digital&cat=s2-line&lang=en

This looks like a great entry to test MQA and have ability to use 7 different filters to salt and pepper digital stream to taste.  Only have an older  DACs Marantz (NA7004) Schitt (Modi) and older Emotiva AV processors (LMC-1 , UMC-1). All non MQA or latest chips.

Anyone think this is worth the plunge for the money?


azthu
My thoughts on the Pro-Ject Pre Box S2 Digital - terrific in its price range. Smoother, less edgy presentation than my Cambridge Audio DacMagic, without giving up any detail. I would describe the sound as right down the middle of the road: not bright, not warm. Different recordings sound different from each other, as you’d expect. Dynamic, good enough soundstage in all dimensions. Couldn’t ask more from a less than $400 DAC.

Plug and Play? No. Yes, you can plug it in with a USB connector, and all downloads will have CD quality sound, but this will not get you the MQA performance that you bought this for. Download the driver AND the digital firmware from the Project site or on the supplied CD.

MQA is available only when using a USB connector, and the external power supply is not required with connecting with USB.  I haven't experimented with the power supply, upgraded power supplies (or even with non USB connectors). 

With TIDAL: Settings - MQA Passthrough should be turned ON. You’ll know that you have it all correct - from listening, naturally, but also - when the S2 display shows the letters MQA and a blue dot. If you show MQB and a purple dot on the display, then you not turned on the Passthrough in TIDAL settings.

MQB vs MQA: MQA has two stages of unfolding its signal. With MQB you are instructing Tidal to perform the first of the two stages. I don’t know exactly the difference, but performance and sound are better on mine when set up as described above.

MQA vs. SACD: Usually MQA is a bit better to my ears, but its not a slam dunk, and not in all cases, at least not on my (decidedly mid fi) system, which is Adcom components and Tyler Acoustic floor standing speakers. Vs CD quality though, MQA is an enormous upgrade, in every respect.

UPSAMPLING? No. CD is CD quality, with no upsampling, and MQA is its own beast.

FILTERS: Filters are NOT engaged when listing to MQA. When not listening to MQA there are 8 filters to choose from. Too technical for my knowledge, but they all seem to deal with pre ringing, and to my ears have very very very very subtle audible differences.

PRE AMP: Meh. Leave it all the way open and use your existing pre amp. Listening direct to amp with the S2 pre amp, the sound was about the same as I described above, but lifeless - no punch, no dynamics.

Glitch: Switching back and forth from MQA to CD quality while listening throught TIDAL seems not to be perfected yet. When going from MQA back to CD, sometimes the sound quality will be thin, lacking in bass. My only solution so far is to disconnect the DAC then reconnect, or go into the  TIDAL settings and manually change it from MQA to  Lossless, which should happen automatically, but doesn't always. This seems to solve it. This problem does not seem to exist going FROM CD to MQA, only FROM MQA to CD.


@philtangerine - Thanks for your post.  It is very informative.  I actually prefer the option of non-upsampling if a DAC upsamples, and if this one doesn't, that's fine with me. 


I am still curious to hear what users think of this DAC's non-USB performance at Red Book and higher resolutions.  Especially curious how this might stack up against the internal DAC on the Bluesound Node 2 (for $100 more you get a streamer).

I’m also curious about its comparison with the Node2 but keep in mind a direct comparison may not be possible. Node2 delivers/streams full MQA only from its analog output. If you use any of its digital outputs, you’ll need an MQA compatible external DAC to get MQA output. For the Pro-Ject, you’ll have to either stream MQA from a laptop (presumably using Tidal app) or use MQA files on a thumb drive, through the USB port. So I guess what I’m saying is the comparison is sort of pointless since the two devices serve very different applications and you can’t substitute one for the other. In fact, you can’t even use the Pro-Ject as an external DAC downstream of Node2.
@kalali - Thanks for clarifying, but I remain confused.  Why is it not possible to send the digital output of the Node 2 to one of the S/PDIF inputs on the Pro-Ject?
You can do that but you'll not be able to take advantage of the MQA "enhancement" if the content is Tidal Masters.