MAC Autoformers?


Someone is selling a MAC MA6500 Integrated claiming its superiority over the Ma6600 due to the fact that "it does not have the degrading autoformer design found in the MA6600". That is the first time I've heard a claim that the autoformer was a hindrance to better performance; I thought quite the opposite. What do you MAC Maves think?
pubul57
I believe he meant that with an autoformer an amp can be designed with lax’ed parameters eg: that make it stable. And that an autoformer can then isolate it from the bad outside world speaker emf etc, that may make it go into oscillation or ring or whatever. This this autoformer makes this amp listenable and reliable. It's a Band-aid.
This statement is false. The reason is that in a Mac, the autoformer is included in the feedback loop (this fact is also ignored by @unsound). Further, any kind of output transformer does not provide 'isolation' as suggested above, instead it **transforms** impedance. So in this way, a variation of speaker impedance is transformed to a variation in load impedance to the output transistors (but at a different impedance as defined by the transformer or autoformer) and they respond in kind. Ringing and oscillation is a red herring - ringing is handled by the feedback, and if anything, the amp is less likely to oscillate when a transformer is employed!

For pure tube enthusiasts, the only solution is to find speakers that have flat and high'ish impedance functions (say 16 ohms) over their entire frequency ranges. I do not think there are a lot of beasts like that out there. Ralph, if you can make some suggestions, please do.  

Btw, another knotty subject that Ralph and Al have posted about some years ago is low damping factor with high output impedance tube amps. Ralph, I forgot what you posted. Care to re-educate us?

This is a bit of a digression on this thread. If others are interested in this topic, I recommend a new thread:

Actually tubes can handle speakers with variable speaker loads and do just fine- the Sound Labs ESLs are good example. Like all ESLs, their impedance varies by about 10:1 over their entire range, and tubes can usually manage them better than solid state.
With regards to output impedance, a high output impedance does not imply universal frequency response colorations. It does mean that you will have to be more careful about the match between amp and speaker, but IME this is an issue regardless of the amp and speaker anyway :) 

The elephant in the room is the fact that the ear converts distortion into tonality- and in this regard the ear has tipping points where the tonality of distortion is favored over actual frequency response. IOW, it can be more important to get rid of the colorations caused by distortion than it is to have perfectly flat frequency response; if you look at speaker response curves, the latter does not exist anyway!
The ear is far more sensitive to higher ordered harmonics than it is lower orders, by several orders of magnitude. This is why solid state amps can have the coloration of 'bright' and 'harsh' despite having very low overall THD. By not running feedback, it is possible to reduce these higher ordered harmonics if the circuit employs good design principles (in other words, has good open loop linearity). This is far easier to do with tubes than transistors! There are good solid state designs with zero feedback, but they are rare. 

An alternative to zero feedback is to use an autoformer that allows the output transistors to drive a higher impedance. In this way higher ordered harmonics are suppressed as all amplifiers make less distortion into higher impedances. The downside is that overall, the amp makes less power on account of that higher impedance. But in the world of high end, lower distortion is far more important then overall power.


Wow!  Lots of opinions here!

In my case, my McIntosh MC452 pairs really well with my Focal Sopra No2 speakers, I can listen to them for many hours without fatigue.  I enjoy this combination very much, very much the only thing I really care about.
I am confused. I get using autoformers on high output impedance tube amps.  The autoformes will make the amp think it is driving a higher impedance speaker load and thereby improve the damping factor, make the load easier for the tube amp to drive and may smooth out the FR of the speaker.

But why would one use an autoformer on a high quality, stable, hog wattage SS amp.  These beasts were (should be designed) to handle demanding speaker loads.  I surmise that most speakers on the market today were voiced to be driven by a high current capable voltage paradigm SS amps.

Maybe autoformers make sense on super low impedance electrostats,but I'd be careful on the front end in matching up any amp to a super low impedance electrostat.  Make it easy in yourself and just short the amp's output terminals and call it a day.   :)

Please explain? 
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