New to this. How do I stack my stuff?

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OK, gotcha on the speaker placement thing. My room is similar in dimension, but slightly bigger, 14x23, but with low, 7'8" ceiling. My speakers are also set up across the short end of the room, which is actually preferable in many setups, so you're OK there. 

Suggestion on placement, measure your room, length and width and divide each by 3 and 5, or even 7. In essence, this divides the room in thirds, fifths and sevenths. These will give you approximate places to place your speakers for better bass, as well as improve most everything else. Depending on your room layout, you can experiment with each position and see where they sound the best. 

Now, it doesn't sound like you'll be able to leave them there on a full time basis........wife factor, etc. because they'll be out into the room somewhat and that doesn't always go over well with our "better half". However, once you find a spot that sounds good to you, you can mark it with tape or simply write down the dimensions that worked the best.

For casual listening or when not in use you can keep them stuffed back in the corners as they are now. When you really want to sit back and get into the music, pull them out to the previously noted spots and enjoy. You'll find that it can make a significant difference, for the better, by getting them away from the rear wall and giving them room to breath. Placing them on odd interval spacing isn't the only or necessarily the optimum way to set them up, there are others, but I've found them to be similar mathematically, plus or minus a few inches. Every room is different acoustically, so what I do may not be the best for you and vice versa, but it's a place to start. From there you just experiment and have fun with it.

Moving your speakers around, possibly several times a week, might be inconvenient......and annoying, but if that's your only option, I think you'd find the improvement worth the trouble. Perhaps your wife will appreciate the improvement also and cut you a bit of slack............We all have to make compromises to maintain domestic tranquility :)

I have experimented with pulling them out into the room a little but I have to say I could not tell a huge difference. In fact the bass seems better where they are in the picture. But, I will continue to play around with that. They are a load and with the spikes on them I have to lift them straight up and carry them...about 120 pounds each with nothing to grab onto. Oddly, moving my chair a few feet into the rooms seems to expand the soundstage (I'm probably not saying that right but the sound is more "3D"...I think some people say holographic.)

" Oddly, moving my chair a few feet into the rooms seems to expand the soundstage (I'm probably not saying that right but the sound is more "3D"...I think some people say holographic.)"

Makes perfect sense to me. I would keep experimenting with the speaker placement as well. Also love the Bonhoeffer book! 

So, I've been reading various internet articles about speaker placement. All of them say get the speakers out of the corners because they will be too boomy. However, my first impression of this system in a larger room with the speakers out away from the corners and back wall the bass seemed very thin to me. Some sources even said moving speakers closer to the corners can help this perception.

Right now, being very aware of the problem of the bass being too boomy, it perhaps is a touch. More so with some music than others. Led Zep, maybe a little dullness to the bass, R.E.M. Reckoning, Sting's Soul Cages, pretty good. So, I've got some testing to do.

Some articles said take the grills off. That sounded silly to me and why would makers of expensive speakers put grills on them if it were a problem. The truth is I could hear a difference immediately even as I was pulling them away!

boxer12 said:

Makes perfect sense to me. I would keep experimenting with the speaker placement as well. Also love the Bonhoeffer book!

Some sources say the speakers and the listener should make the corners of an equilateral triangle. Moving the chair in a few feet comes close to that.

I have not read the Bonhoeffer biography yet. I have read several of Bonhoeffer's shorter books. I did read the Luther book by the same author and it was very good. Not overly academic.