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Auditioned Magico A3 - VERY DARK...

So today after waiting for months to try and listen to the Magico A3, I went to Scott Walker audio at Anaheim and listened to the Magico A3, connected to some VAC Tube amp, being fed from a Sony audio streamer, here are my impressions:

- They look fantastic, I wish they made them in silver too, but they are just great in brush black aluminum
- They're quite small and could fit everywhere
- Fit and finish is impecable
- The bass they generated was nothing but amazing for such a small cabinet, you could hear the drums, the down beats and incredible depth of bass at an amazing level
- Imaging was INSANE, you could literally place everyone and everything...
- Sound was VERY VERY DARK!!! This was a bit of a surprise, the top end lacked for my taste to a quite a degree
- I felt like the combo of the Tube amp and Magico lacked resolution, while bass and mid was great, the top end absolutely lacked resolution
- The sound was extremely laid back, again dark
- It does NEED POWER, like he had to crank the volume up, to get good sound out of this, so be aware of that

Overall, I "personally" did NOT like the sound, it lacked details and resolution at the top end, while it was great at the bottom end.  Now, the rep and I think this is mostly due to Tube amp, and connecting it to a solid state amp would bring back resolution, but we simply didn't have time to do that today.  I look forward to listen to these at another time with some decent solid-state amp, but as-is, I was NOT as impressed as I expected and wouldn't have purchased one and I strongly believe Tube and Magico A3 do NOT go well together! 

Anyone else with similar impressions?! Curious to know what others may think, or maybe there was something else in play?

Thoughts?
alexb76
melbguyone
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@ebm Yes Jtgofish owns a Supratek Cabernet 300b preamp. And given that was his second post in this thread insisting his preamp is far superior to the Audio Fliight Strumento No.1, some bias can be implied. As to the member’s claim “The preamp is simply not in the same league and the power amp deserves something better, which is pretty much what EK said when he reviewed them”, all EK eluded to in his review was that he thought the No.4 amp was the star of the show when he said “In fact I’ve reviewed some very heavy hitters well above $50K for our domestic print magazines and the Strumento N° 4 in particular would not be embarrassed by any in terms of either musical merit or construction quality“. EK further noted “Rest assured that these components are truly superb sonic performers built to spectacular standards on par with the very best”, concluding “Here at the Kramer’s ‘Mountain Retreat’ they will be missed. Forza Italia!”

Look at his earlier post when he claimed Magico S5’s sound “dark,cold ,small and dull sounding“ with AF Strumento amps, until of course his Supratek Cabernet preamp was inserted, transforming the S5’s into “huge,open,dynamic and vibrant“ sounding. Firstly, I owned S5 Mk1’s and now Mk2’s, and neither speaker sounds “dark, cold ,small and dull sounding“. That is complete rubbish, lol! 😂.

The last Supratek Cabernet 300b preamp I saw for sale on Stereonet <1yr ago was going for $3,200AUD in good shape. The AF No.1 linestage is $22,900AUD msrp. The Supratek preamp might be a “bargain”, but there are limits. Supratek is an Australian preamp, so some members on SNA get a bit over-zealous about them. Now I have to back to listening to my “dark and a bit congested” sounding S5 Mk2’s 😆.
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jtgofish
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Well yes I agree in absolute terms the Magico S5s do not sound especially dark,cold,small and dull.My brother owns a pair so I know them well.That was a bit unfair.They are very good speakers.
What I meant was that by comparison with  the sound when the Supratek was inserted they sounded dark,cold,small and dull [within the context of that system] So I meant it in relative terms and perhaps the term constricted would have been a better term to use.


melbguyone
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@jtgofish I get what you were trying to convey, though I don’t think your comments about the Strumento No.1 preamp were fair or accurate. As EK himself clearly described, the preamp is in the same league as the No. 4 power amp. I get that tubes do 3D holography/dimensionality well, and offer pleasant 2nd order harmonics, warmth and sweetness. And I get some some folks prefer that. But having auditioned the AF Strumento amps on several occasions, I can attest it is really nice kit and good value imho. So I understand why ebm is stoked.

I also think your description of the Magico S5’s sound was inaccurate. To me, the S5 Mk1’s are on the warm side, throw a broad sound stage & are a bit laid back in presentation compared to the Q3’s for example, whilst having more lively bass. Alan Sircom in his review of the S5’s described the top end as "extended, airy treble with absolutely no sense of sharpness or ringing". And the Strumento amps aren’t dark sounding (like the Vitus RI-100), so I don’t see that correlation. But we can agree the Supratek’s presentation would be very different. Better being in the eyes of the beholder.

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jtgofish
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Yes I agree with that description of the Magico S5s in general terms.Indeed that is how my brother's sound although he now uses high end Accuphase preamps and power amps which seem to sound more vibrant and open than the Vitus which he previously owned.Not that the Vitus sounded bad.
However the Magicos can sound a bit dull, constricted and box-bound too.Which is how many people seem to hear them.They are speakers that do divide opinions but suspect that is purely due to pre/power amp combinations that do not allow them to reveal their best.
In the AF system I heard that is how they sounded.Indeed the owner was blaming the room for the overall dullness but we tried the Usher preamp and that did not sound dull .So on another occasion we inserted the Supratek and the improvement was not slight -it was massive.Another listener described the difference very well by walking up to the speakers and using his arms to demonstrate the sound struggling to break free from the speaker fronts and sounding small and constricted with the Audio flight and then by stretching them out wide how the Supratek  by comparison completely filled the room with sound.As I said you had to be there to believe how massive the difference was and I was not the only one to hear it.
Just because a preamp and power amp is from the same maker does not guarantee they will synergise well together.You never can really tell what preamp is going to sound best with what power amp.Indeed that Usher preamp we tried does not sound very good with the matching Usher power amp but does with the Audio Fight Strumento power amp.The Audio Flight Strumento preamp could very well sound very good with a totally different power amp .

melbguyone
294 posts
 
@jtgofish I can’t agree with your comments sorry. They just fly in the face of the my own experience and the vast majority of commentary on Magico, Vitus and Audia Flight gear, all of which i’m very familiar with. Let’s just leave it at that.
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