Talk but not walk?


Hi Guys

This isn't meant to start a fight, but it is important to on lookers. As a qualifier, I have my own audio forum where we report on audio issues as we empirically test them. It helps us short cut on theories and developing methods of listening. We have a wide range of systems and they are all over the world adding their experiences to the mix. Some are engineers, some are artist and others are audiophiles both new and old. One question I am almost always asked while I am visiting other forums, from some of my members and also members of the forum I am visiting is, why do so many HEA hobbyist talk theory without any, or very limited, empirical testing or experience?

I have been around empirical testing labs since I was a kid, and one thing that is certain is, you can always tell if someone is talking without walking. Right now on this forum there are easily 20 threads going on where folks are talking theory and there is absolutely no doubt to any of us who have actually done the testing needed, that the guy talking has never done the actual empirical testing themselves. I've seen this happen with HEA reviewers and designers and a ton of hobbyist. My question is this, why?

You would think that this hobby would be about listening and experience, so why are there so many myths created and why, in this hobby in particular, do people claim they know something without ever experimenting or being part of a team of empirical science folks. It's not that hard to setup a real empirical testing ground, so why don't we see this happen?

I'm not asking for peoples credentials, and I'm not asking to be trolled, I'm simply asking why talk and not walk? In many ways HEA is on pause while the rest of audio innovation is moving forward. I'm also not asking you guys to defend HEA, we've all heard it been there done it. What I'm asking is a very simple question in a hobby that is suppose to be based on "doing", why fake it?

thanks, be polite

Michael Green

www.michaelgreenaudio.net


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Kosst

Can I ask you a question, are you an underwriter? I didn’t think so, because if you were you could have every part you use in your playing around with audio gear tested to see if it has a UL code or rating. It’s not hard to do. The reason why I haven’t responded to your allegations up till now is because I would hope that you would have studied a little more and in time be able to move beyond making uninformed statements.

To start with, I do not sell power cords. I sell power cord kits. No different from you or anyone else walking into Home Depot and purchasing raw parts and taking them home to make something. I believe you said you built an amp once. Did you get that amp UL approved? Of course you didn’t. Any one of the parts inside of your amp could malfunction at any time and start a fire. I don’t see folks here throwing temper tantrums like you do about your tinkering.

Did you know that when anyone makes an electrical tweak to their electronics it voids the underwriting of that product? No, I didn’t think you did. You see Kosst your the perfect example of a talker. Someone who speaks without proper knowledge on a topic. If you look back at my product page you will see that I list 4 types of Bare Essence wire. You will also find that there is a UL on every part. In fact there isn’t a part I use anywhere that has to do with electricity that doesn’t have a UL. Again it’s not that hard to look up a gauge or rating to see what to use with what.

Let me give you another example. Take a simple low grade long extension cord and hook it up to a heavy duty piece of equipment and run it hard. That cord may heat up. Is Kosst camping outside of Walmart protesting? Of course not, no one is there to watch him pump up his chest who would give a rats (A).

Kosst, do a little walking and then come back. All the uberwaltz-s in the world aren’t going to make you look any more knowledgeable. You either know because you have actually studied a topic or you don’t. Trying to say I’m doing something wrong doesn’t really hold much weight, except to those who like you live here to get attention. Some of you folks spend way too much time on these forums and in time they become your only reality. Trust me it shows. You end up showing people you aren’t really in the hobby of advanced listening at all, and you attempt to make the hobby look less important than it is to true music enthusiast. You have lost your way in mediocrity, and instead of congratulating each other when they have done something cool and fun you show your misery and negativity. You know, no matter how much you moan & groan your only appealing to other moaners & groaners. That’s your choice of course to try to make it look like those of us who are actually doing the hobby and enjoying it, and are happy to share it, aren’t for real some how. Your making the hobby fade with every word and you can’t even see it, till it’s gone that is.

Michael Green

Michael, why do I think that you will never fit in here ? If I may, try not be an amateur psychologist and amateur preacher. You are a pro system tuner but you don’t sound like that. State your theoretical foundation and concrete ideas clearly. People will listen, and if some don’t - so what?
As a side note. Your counter-attacks are not convincing, be more precise and ruthless. Then we will know that maybe you really are a good tuner. 

Hi Inna

I absolutely do not fit in here and honestly am not trying to. When I come to HEA sites there is something that happens that you can't see from these pages, hundreds of emails, PMs and calls. I'm here for the onlookers and those who have been RoomTune and MGA clients in the past wanting to hook up again after years of me being away from the mainstream.

What you see me talking about comes from the members who contact me directly, most of them disappointed in these types of forums even though they would love to be apart. When I first showed up a couple, maybe few, months ago I started receiving maybe 5 emails a week which quickly grew to over 50. You'll notice that I left for a while. Now I'm back for 1 or 2 days and then I'll be gone again.

If I'm going to hang out somewhere on a long term scale it won't be here. It was important for me to spend time on the Stereophile forum (got very weird there) then on this forum and a few others mostly audiophile, music and pro.

Good Tuner? LOL. Inna the people who know I tune don't hang out here. Audiogon and forums like it basically run in cycles. That's not my crowd. I was going to do a thread that I did start here on tuning but after seeing the amount of trolling it would be a waste of my time. I realize that as well do the members who have made contact with me. In other words I don't see folks who post here as people to convert to something that has already been growing on it's own with just a few appearances here from me. Believe it or not the trolling of me has been a great success as far as converting and listeners beginning or continuing to tune. So my friend I might be amateur, but the tide is turning more than you think. I'm good with that.

I learned a big lesson while at Stereophile and that is mingling with those who live on these forums is not my gig, nor should it be my goal. Inna, I tune all day long that's what I do and is what I have always done. Peddling my worth here is nothing more than saying hello to those looking to tune. Of course I don't fit in here, but it's a great place to meet folks who are fed up with the way HEA has turned out. Again not on these pages but those looking from a distance.

I hope that doesn't disappoint, just being honest as I always will be.

Michael Green

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