MAC Autoformers?


Someone is selling a MAC MA6500 Integrated claiming its superiority over the Ma6600 due to the fact that "it does not have the degrading autoformer design found in the MA6600". That is the first time I've heard a claim that the autoformer was a hindrance to better performance; I thought quite the opposite. What do you MAC Maves think?
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@bifwynne I run into that too- we make OTLs as you know, but there are speakers out there that on paper would seem to be too difficult a load, but in practice work out just fine with our amps. So your experience does not surprise me in the least.

Feedback is helping you out here, and my surmise is that most of the speaker impedance curve is actually higher than the dips in the bass (the bass region also has peaks BTW).  That's a pretty simple explanation for why this is working for you. 

Quite often the 4 ohm tap on an output transformer sacrifices some performance- in some cases you can lose an octave of bandwidth off the bottom just by going from the 8 ohm tap to the 4 ohm tap. So it can be a mixed bag in the real world (as opposed to the math world of theory).
I use I am using a Mac C2500 tube preamp mated to a Mac MC 152 amp with the transformers driving GE Triton Reference speakers and this combination has gotten me off the merry go round as it is the best sound I have ever had in my listening room.  

My other system uses. Mac MA6600 Integrated with transformers.  I was considering a MA6500 but Audio Classics who know more about Mac than anyone else with the exception of McIntosh told me I would lose the lush romantic Mac house sound without the transformers. Needless to say I am thrilled with all my Mac purchases and am done. 
@bifwynne , Well, since you asked, the answer is ’distortion vs actual frequency response’.

All amps make distortion. Some distortions (IMD and higher ordered harmonic distortion) are more audible than others. Of the two mentioned, the latter is what makes solid state amps bright and harsh, and does that to tube amps as well, although they are not as harsh as solid state because there is simply less of this form of distortion.
In a zero feedback amp, there is respectively (solid state or tube) even less. That’s why they sound smoother. The problem is, solid state amps have non-linear capacitances built into the junctions of the output devices. This capacitance is responsible for higher ordered distortions (brightness and harshness) that still affects a zero feedback solid state amp.

Since the ear uses the higher ordered harmonics to sense sound pressure, it is more sensitive to these harmonics than most test equipment, since it has to cover a 120-140db range! This is an insidious, inconvenient truth that the audio industry does not like to face. This is further complicated by the Fletcher-Munson loudness curves, which place many of these upper harmonics in the most sensitive region of the ear’s response.

That makes things particularly tricky.


The reason zero feedback tube amplifiers exist is that a good number of designers have come to recognize the problem of higher ordered harmonic distortion. One fairly easy way to sort that out is to avoid using feedback, since it is known to add such distortions of its own in the process of otherwise suppressing distortion. So this means that the designer has to use other means to suppress distortion.

This results in an amplifier with a fairly high output impedance.

The thing is, if you chose the speaker carefully, the result is **far** more neutral than is possible with the conventional approach (its not subtle- you can hear it right away, whether an audiophile or not). The reason this is possible has to do with two salient facts: first, no speaker made anywhere at any price is flat. Second, the ear converts distortion into tonality, and has tipping points wherein that tonality *is favored* over actual frequency response.

The latter fact is why two amps on the bench can have identical frequency response but one will sound bright and the other will not!

I’ve found over the years and decades that if the speaker requires the amplifier to employ feedback to get flat frequency response out of the speaker, that the result has no chance whatsoever of sounding like real music! At best it will sound like a very good stereo (this bit is tricky; many people are happy with the status quo of a good stereo, because they think getting it to sound like real music isn’t possible!). Its this difference where I have drawn the line, and why over 42 years we’ve avoided feedback.

**That** is why bother with a zero feedback tube amp. Sorry for the derailment.
excellent explination on the higher order harmonics.... Musicians know this stuff in and out and can appreciate harmonics big time since you tune string instruments for intonations,harmonics etc.... the music we hear or think about is usually more the many order harmonics instead of just a plain note. think Foriear transformans math and wave theory. same for light the eye likes vs the actual Frequency, back to the amps, they should not enhance and particular range or require feedback to quell a too bright range-Just increase current/voltage flatly from 0-30K. design your differential signal work in the pre and equilizer if you want. this can be seen on a RTA live. think when you tune your guitar on how super high the lead sounds when its only a few 1000hz,