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Talk but not walk?

Hi Guys

This isn't meant to start a fight, but it is important to on lookers. As a qualifier, I have my own audio forum where we report on audio issues as we empirically test them. It helps us short cut on theories and developing methods of listening. We have a wide range of systems and they are all over the world adding their experiences to the mix. Some are engineers, some are artist and others are audiophiles both new and old. One question I am almost always asked while I am visiting other forums, from some of my members and also members of the forum I am visiting is, why do so many HEA hobbyist talk theory without any, or very limited, empirical testing or experience?

I have been around empirical testing labs since I was a kid, and one thing that is certain is, you can always tell if someone is talking without walking. Right now on this forum there are easily 20 threads going on where folks are talking theory and there is absolutely no doubt to any of us who have actually done the testing needed, that the guy talking has never done the actual empirical testing themselves. I've seen this happen with HEA reviewers and designers and a ton of hobbyist. My question is this, why?

You would think that this hobby would be about listening and experience, so why are there so many myths created and why, in this hobby in particular, do people claim they know something without ever experimenting or being part of a team of empirical science folks. It's not that hard to setup a real empirical testing ground, so why don't we see this happen?

I'm not asking for peoples credentials, and I'm not asking to be trolled, I'm simply asking why talk and not walk? In many ways HEA is on pause while the rest of audio innovation is moving forward. I'm also not asking you guys to defend HEA, we've all heard it been there done it. What I'm asking is a very simple question in a hobby that is suppose to be based on "doing", why fake it?

thanks, be polite

Michael Green

www.michaelgreenaudio.net


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michaelgreenaudio OP
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Thanks for the question about my involvement with Audiogon, but I’m pretty sure this has been covered before, maybe a few times. I will try to find more of the shows Audiogon covered for and with us and reissue them on TuneLand. Here’s one of them.

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"Greetings and welcome to the 2005 CES show coverage from the Vegas Towers,

No one puts out show coverage pictures like the people at Audiogon. I’d like to personally thank Steven Clay and Albert Porter for their excellent pictures and visit. What is it I always say? A picture is worth a thousand words and here are the ones that Audiogon has displaying on their site for you to view. After this article, please visit Audiogon.com and take a look at the 2005 CES coverage.

Audiogon is a true equal opportunity company that I have had great pleasure in getting to know over the past year. They not only do great show pictures, but they also help expose companies to the mainstream hobbyists. No matter what your view is on high end audio, you will find a piece of it on Audiogon.

Let?s get right into the show coverage at Vegas Towers: "

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I probably have cut and paste this particular show to the recent TuneLand somewhere, however I don’t know how long Agon host their archives. I know we did ads and programs with Agon for a long time and got a great response. If and when the time comes I'm sure we can do it again but it probably won't be until after the forum trolling is gone. As folks read TuneLand you can see the type of community we are and if we did any ads it would be with those who have similar Vibe. No doubt the Mods here have the right feel, but the forum still is looked at 50/50. I know we're doing promotion with TONEAudio to help introduce our friends at AUDOLICI and we pop up here and there to say hi on "enjoy the music" and other places, but todays marketing is a lot different from the old paradigm and changing every day.

For right now though just being here has introduced us back to a few hundred RoomTune and MGA followers and family. It's been interesting, for example Kosst negative comments have sold Picasso & Bare Essence interconnects and speaker wire for us, and Audiopoint rants has allowed quite a number of people to reconnect with us. We also have listeners ordering MGA Tuning Blocks, Speakers and RoomTune just from this thread alone. So if the sales do go into the hundreds of orders here I would think we will try some ads here again. In the meantime and as the trolling decreases here I will probably do a free banner for Agon on our website. It will go here http://www.michaelgreenaudio.net/contact-information

Michael Green

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@Michael Green...……………………………………

Aren't you the inventor of Room Tunes?  I remember back in the 90's, almost every Stereophile review mentioned your invention.  Do you still make them and I believe the Just a Rack audio rack?  I am asking merely out of curiosity.  
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Hi Stereo5

Yes, I am RoomTune! The 90's were a blast weren't they! And yes we still make and sell the RoomTune http://www.michaelgreenaudio.net/roomtune

In the later 90's after the HEA market seemed pretty saturated with RoomTune and the Audiophile mom & pop stores went out of business I for the most part traded in my CES badge for my NAMM badge. That's the short version, but I've always been around just not as visible.

Michael Green

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Michael, you post a link to room tunes on your site. Yet nowhere in the link does it give a price for a basic room tune pack. In fact, there are no prices for anything. What gives? I have looked around on the site before and have had the same result when researching any of your products. I don't want to have to talk to Harold, or whoever the guy in the picture is, to find out how much products cost. 
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