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Talk but not walk?

Hi Guys

This isn't meant to start a fight, but it is important to on lookers. As a qualifier, I have my own audio forum where we report on audio issues as we empirically test them. It helps us short cut on theories and developing methods of listening. We have a wide range of systems and they are all over the world adding their experiences to the mix. Some are engineers, some are artist and others are audiophiles both new and old. One question I am almost always asked while I am visiting other forums, from some of my members and also members of the forum I am visiting is, why do so many HEA hobbyist talk theory without any, or very limited, empirical testing or experience?

I have been around empirical testing labs since I was a kid, and one thing that is certain is, you can always tell if someone is talking without walking. Right now on this forum there are easily 20 threads going on where folks are talking theory and there is absolutely no doubt to any of us who have actually done the testing needed, that the guy talking has never done the actual empirical testing themselves. I've seen this happen with HEA reviewers and designers and a ton of hobbyist. My question is this, why?

You would think that this hobby would be about listening and experience, so why are there so many myths created and why, in this hobby in particular, do people claim they know something without ever experimenting or being part of a team of empirical science folks. It's not that hard to setup a real empirical testing ground, so why don't we see this happen?

I'm not asking for peoples credentials, and I'm not asking to be trolled, I'm simply asking why talk and not walk? In many ways HEA is on pause while the rest of audio innovation is moving forward. I'm also not asking you guys to defend HEA, we've all heard it been there done it. What I'm asking is a very simple question in a hobby that is suppose to be based on "doing", why fake it?

thanks, be polite

Michael Green

www.michaelgreenaudio.net


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Or Tom & Kosst, I can warm up more of today's food and have a snack while looking at how desperate your posts have become.

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Vol.15 No.3 Guy Lemcoe Stereophile

"I suddenly felt privy to the musical experience to a degree beyond any I'd experienced before. I became an intimate part of the soundstage---no longer an observer, but a participant in the experience! Minute performance details became unambiguous, lessening the interpretive burden. A result of this was that I became a more relaxed listener."

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These were fun times. I hope the on lookers don't buy into the trolling happening by Kosst, Tom and others. The hobby is so much better than this. Most of us spend our days smiling. What's there to be negative about when there's so much music to be explored and enjoyed.

I don't want to flood the pages with coverage about me and RoomTune and the setups I did for the reviewers, more than to say, it was a ton of fun and I'm glad I had the chance to hang out with so many cool listeners. I believe in HEA the reviews, comments and mentions would be around 1989-1998 if you want to look them up or get copies. As far as these guys who are so angry, it's hard to understand why.

Michael Green

http://www.michaelgreenaudio.net/

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kosst_amojan
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I thought we talked about your psychological name calling already. I thought we agreed you would at least be creative enough to rotate through the mental illnesses in order to bring awareness to more of them. At least be creative, will you? Why’s it always Asperger’s? Are you well acquainted with it?

>>>>>For your information:

I mention Asperger’s occasionally on these threads for several reasons, the primary reason being some people, including your humble scribe, sometimes exhibit Asperger’s-like symptoms. Do they apply to you? You decide. Perhaps there is some connection between audio nervosa and Asperger’s. But I’m not a psychiatrist. Perhaps you know better than I. Below find major symptoms. I skipped a few symptoms that didn’t seem appropriate here.

As for *wire directionality* I doubt you would be able to prove the negative.

Asperger’s Symptom #1: Underdeveloped Social Skills
Individuals with Asperger’s syndrome often have difficulty in social interaction.

Asperger’s Symptom #3: Inability to Empathize
Individuals with Asperger’s can often seem as if they are insensitive or uncaring towards others as they have issues providing socially acceptable responses when they interact with others.

Asperger’s Symptom #4: Difficulty with Eye Contact

Asperger’s Symptom #5: Restricted Interests
Individuals with Asperger’s can have narrowed or restricted interests that are focused. It can be interests such as model building, drawing, video games, or more. The interests that they are so focused on provide a sense of security and comfort for them.

Asperger’s Symptom #7: Literary Language
Individuals with Asperger’s may have weaknesses in areas that uses nonliteral language such as humor, teasing, irony, and sarcasm. They have difficulty interpreting what others are saying and often take what the other person says as truth.

Asperger’s Symptom #10: Unusual Communication and Speech
While individuals with Asperger’s do not have any delay in acquiring language and speech, there can be abnormalities in their style of communication and speech. For example, there can be abrupt transitions, miscomprehension, literal interpretations, oddities in pitch, volume, intonation, and rhythm of their speech. There can also be echolalia which means that there is repetition of vocalizations. Their speech can be flat, unusually fast, jerky, or loud.
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Regarding Asperger's syndrome.

"I skipped a few symptoms that didn’t seem appropriate here."
Skipping (ignoring) parts of the constellation of symptoms commonly associated with suspected abnormality is not that prudent when attempting to establish (prove or disprove) a diagnosis. Considering all the symptoms may exclude said diagnosis as a possibility and point towards entirely different problem.


The way it was presented in the post above is skewing approach to fit and support pre-determined statement. Not much harm on Talk but not walk thread, but reckless in real life.


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You’re the psychiatrist, sweet pea, not me. 
glupson
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Well Tom we have steaks on the grill, should I be cutting with or against the grain.

I know it is not an audio topic, but I see a little room to repeat my question from a few months ago. Not to mention that this thread is diverse enough to absorb yet another topic.

When making pizza, do you guys recommend putting oregano directly on the dough, on tomato sauce, or sprinkle on top once all other ingredients have been in place? I am always torn between those.

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