Talk but not walk?


Hi Guys

This isn't meant to start a fight, but it is important to on lookers. As a qualifier, I have my own audio forum where we report on audio issues as we empirically test them. It helps us short cut on theories and developing methods of listening. We have a wide range of systems and they are all over the world adding their experiences to the mix. Some are engineers, some are artist and others are audiophiles both new and old. One question I am almost always asked while I am visiting other forums, from some of my members and also members of the forum I am visiting is, why do so many HEA hobbyist talk theory without any, or very limited, empirical testing or experience?

I have been around empirical testing labs since I was a kid, and one thing that is certain is, you can always tell if someone is talking without walking. Right now on this forum there are easily 20 threads going on where folks are talking theory and there is absolutely no doubt to any of us who have actually done the testing needed, that the guy talking has never done the actual empirical testing themselves. I've seen this happen with HEA reviewers and designers and a ton of hobbyist. My question is this, why?

You would think that this hobby would be about listening and experience, so why are there so many myths created and why, in this hobby in particular, do people claim they know something without ever experimenting or being part of a team of empirical science folks. It's not that hard to setup a real empirical testing ground, so why don't we see this happen?

I'm not asking for peoples credentials, and I'm not asking to be trolled, I'm simply asking why talk and not walk? In many ways HEA is on pause while the rest of audio innovation is moving forward. I'm also not asking you guys to defend HEA, we've all heard it been there done it. What I'm asking is a very simple question in a hobby that is suppose to be based on "doing", why fake it?

thanks, be polite

Michael Green

www.michaelgreenaudio.net


michaelgreenaudio

Steve, sorry but your post makes me giggle, and once again we have two good examples of why the OP was made. Steve followed up by uber of course. No Biggie though, this thread has amazed me and many others a few times.

Steve, I'm quite sure your BS detector went off cause that's the type of person you are. My BS detector goes off often here as well, but I'm a big enough boy not to get in a huff about it. Life is too short, music is too fun.

If you are confused about empirical research, testing and evidence I'm sure you can return to your wiki pages and study a little more.

Of course uber hasn't seen any answers because that's not his agenda.

Pretty simple stuff here folks!

MG

It is nice to see this thread light up from time to time. It feels like coming home. It is familiar, you know what you will find, and they annoy you.

Some of the questions intermittently asked ("empirical testing", "where is the line between talking and walking", etc.) have been discussed, or refused to be discussed, in the early days of this thread. There was no conclusion, by the way. It may be time to retire them as they will not, all of a sudden, be clarified.
stevecham,

"Please stop the pseudo science..."
Please note that geoffkait has, effectively, placed a copyright on word "pseudo" in these threads. Also, do not use word "cows" or "sheep" here. For the same reason.

Actually Glupson (as has been pointed out on at least half of the pages) the questions have been answered. Some people have come up and said "I get it" and others stay on spin cycle upset that the answers given were not to their liking.

check this out

Steve has a problem with the term "empirical testing", yet he or any first grader can type the term into a search engine and see where it takes them. Almost all the topics or Q&As on this forum can be dealt with the same way. Learning how to use a computer is about the easiest thing on the planet, but some of these audiophiles need to be heard or need to hear themselves. They need to have that battle of the talkers.

This thread challenges us to be more than talkers.


MG

Michael Green,

Some did say "I get it" although I do not remember reading that. Answers, at least to those two questions I mentioned above, have not appeared in this thread. It does not really matter, but if you have them, stevecham and uberwaltz may appreciate to find them out. A few sentences and they will never question again. Pretty simple stuff to do.