Talk but not walk?


Hi Guys

This isn't meant to start a fight, but it is important to on lookers. As a qualifier, I have my own audio forum where we report on audio issues as we empirically test them. It helps us short cut on theories and developing methods of listening. We have a wide range of systems and they are all over the world adding their experiences to the mix. Some are engineers, some are artist and others are audiophiles both new and old. One question I am almost always asked while I am visiting other forums, from some of my members and also members of the forum I am visiting is, why do so many HEA hobbyist talk theory without any, or very limited, empirical testing or experience?

I have been around empirical testing labs since I was a kid, and one thing that is certain is, you can always tell if someone is talking without walking. Right now on this forum there are easily 20 threads going on where folks are talking theory and there is absolutely no doubt to any of us who have actually done the testing needed, that the guy talking has never done the actual empirical testing themselves. I've seen this happen with HEA reviewers and designers and a ton of hobbyist. My question is this, why?

You would think that this hobby would be about listening and experience, so why are there so many myths created and why, in this hobby in particular, do people claim they know something without ever experimenting or being part of a team of empirical science folks. It's not that hard to setup a real empirical testing ground, so why don't we see this happen?

I'm not asking for peoples credentials, and I'm not asking to be trolled, I'm simply asking why talk and not walk? In many ways HEA is on pause while the rest of audio innovation is moving forward. I'm also not asking you guys to defend HEA, we've all heard it been there done it. What I'm asking is a very simple question in a hobby that is suppose to be based on "doing", why fake it?

thanks, be polite

Michael Green

www.michaelgreenaudio.net


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To my knowledge Audiogon has never done anything yet about trolls or trolling of its own volition.
Heck I am not even sure anybody has had a serious time out never mind being banned.

Now I do know a lot of other forums work a much stricter policy including the one I was a moderator on.

But that does not ever seem to have been the norm here,much more an open anything goes relying on basic human decency and etiquette to keep it civil.

For good or bad.....
>>>Should be any day, now. The wheels are in motion."
geoffkait is moving.
theaudiotweak,

"Why should we as an individual or as a group pay a toll for a troll to perform mass promotion on all of us?"
Your statement is correct in general and it will be hard to find someone to disagree. However, remember that "the troll is in the mind of beholder" and not a hard-defined category. No matter what Internet slang claims. At the same time, this particular thread has probably provided more exposure for your products than it has for Michael Green's. Yours has been better wrapped and has had smoother presentation, delivered to us as explanations why Michael Green's products are bad. I am sure I am not the only one who read them with interest and have looked it up on your website after reading about it here. It is really not fair to claim Michael Green is getting free advertisement here when you do the same, maybe even more productively. Better stick to "who worked for whom some centuries ago". There, none of the rest of us can make judgements.
Not to be a self promoter but of  what website are you say I maybe pushing?
I own only one website..and it is not an audio product website.  It is a website for the promotion of ideas and devices for the enhancement of musical instruments thru the reduction of interfering energy and the understanding of polarities of shear waves in solids. The origins of sound..Tom
The last few lines I wrote previous are understood by only a few..I can find virtually no mention of shear waves in solids and only in the seismic world. But shear waves travel in all solids and their polarities and energy transfer are determined by the material shape, mass and boundary they touch. I am here to promote ideas some old and some new based on what I have learned over time and experience ...the most recent catalyst being a seismologist. Shear waves are the origin of sound in most if not all musical instruments..and every solid in your audio room.   Tom