Best Loudspeakers for Rich Timbre?


I realise that the music industry seems to care less and less about timbre, see
https://youtu.be/oVME_l4IwII

But for me, without timbre music reproduction can be compared to food which lacks flavour or a modern movie with washed out colours. Occasionally interesting, but rarely engaging.

So my question is, what are your loudspeaker candidates if you are looking for a 'Technicolor' sound?

I know many use tube amps solely for this aim, but perhaps they are a subject deserving an entirely separate discussion.
cd318

@fleshler mentioned his "10 foot wide good sound criteria."

There is an unorthodox technique which can give you good tonal balance over a wide area, and even pretty good soundstaging, though the soundstaging will still be best up and down the centerline.

The basis is this principle of psychoacoustics (which I’m going to simplify a bit): The ear/brain system localizes sound by two mechanisms: Arrival time and intensity. We can take advantage of this to still get a decent soundstage even if we are well off to one side of the centerline.

Let’s first look at a conventional setup. Imagine you’re sitting in the normal sweet spot, speakers facing approximately straight ahead, maybe toed in a little. Perhaps the speakers are ten feet apart. Arrival time and intensity are the same from both speakers, so imaging is good.

Next shift your listening position five feet to one side. The image shifts all the way over to the near speaker. This is because not only are you now much closer to the near speaker, you are also on-axis of the near speaker (or very close to it) and very far off-axis of the far speaker. So both localization mechanisms favor the near speaker. In fact if you only shift partway over, the center vocalist’s image usually shifts farther than you do.

Now let’s try something totally different: First, we start out with speakers that have a very specific radiation pattern: The radiation pattern is 90 degrees wide in the horizontal plane (-6 dB @ 45 degrees off-axis to either side), and this pattern is pretty much constant over as much of the spectrum as is practical (down to 700 Hz would be nice, but down to 1.4 kHz still works well).

Second, we toe those speakers in severely, like maybe 45 degrees, such that their axes actually criss-cross in front of the central sweet spot. Yes it looks weird, but stick with me.

In the central sweet spot, arrival time and intensity is the same for both speakers. But now let’s move over five feet to one side...

Now we are sitting directly in front of the near speaker, so it "wins" arrival time. But we are also very far off-axis of that near speaker. We look over at the far speaker, and by golly we’re just about right smack on-axis of the far speaker! And so the far speaker "wins" intensity! These two psychoacoustic localization mechanisms balance out somewhat, so we still end up with a decent spread of the instruments. Depending on the recording and a few other details, the center vocalist may still be fairly close to the center. Now the soundstaging isn’t going to be as good as it is up and down the centerline, but it’s going to be way better than what we had with a conventional set-up.

The KEY to this working well is, the output of that near speaker must fall off quickly and smoothly as we move off-axis, at least in the mids and highs were we get most of our imaging cues. This crossfiring setup doesn’t work very well with conventional speakers because they don’t have the right kind of radiation pattern - the near speaker’s off-axis response is still too loud.

At audio shows I try to set one chair up against a side wall, actually to the outside its nearest speaker. When the room is full and someone is forced to take that seat, I give them a couple of minutes there and then ask how it sounds. I’ve never had anyone be anything other than pleasantly surprised at how good it sounds even from such an extreme off-centerline location.

Another advantage of this configuration is, considerably more uniform tonal balance throughout the listening area. In particular, the cross-firing configuration results in a more uniform distribution of the highs, so nobody gets cheated in that regard.

One more advantage of this configuration is, it minimizes detrimental early same-side-wall reflections. The first significant sidewall reflection for the left speaker is the long across-the-room bounce off the right side wall, and vice-versa.

There is a slight trade-off: Best imaging for one person in the sweet spot is arguably a bit better with the speakers aimed right straight at the listener’s ears, or maybe aimed at a point a foot or two behind the listener’s head. Some taming of the top-end energy may be needed, as now you are directly on-axis of both tweeters, whereas with the criss-cross setup you are never directly on-axis of both tweeters. The tonal balance will also be less consistent throughout the room when the setup is optimized for a single listener.

So if your priority is "10 foot wide good sound", imo it can be done with the right kind of speakers in the right kind of configuration. Examples of speakers that can do it are the JBL M2 and 4367, the PBN M2!5, anything by Earl Geddes, most models by PiSpeakers, and most of my stuff. I’m sure there are others that don’t come to mind offhand.

Duke

You can buy electronics based on good reputation or recommendations and get good sound, but speakers are the soul of the system and need to be chosen by personal interaction.  But with so few dealers, old speakers are such a pain to resell, package and ship, and it's usually a financial bloodbath, so I don't buy often.

The right speaker (for me) is usually"You know it when you hear it.." I make a short list, set a max price, then wait for Axpona and go with an intent to buy while I'm there. Makes for a fun trip.

Axpona gives you a chance to hear your preconceived short list, then wander the rooms and hear pretty much everything that compares and exceeds.  I went to hear Revel, Focal, Elac, Harbeth and heard better that were over budget, then stumbled upon "I knew it when I heard it" (Sonist Concerto 4's) for half my budget.  A long-term purchase that I could not have described as "What I want" before I had personal interaction.
 On the plus side, it's a way of getting to know yourself better.

+1 @cd318 Thank you for your post above and a prior post.

Earlier, I had posited that some of the posts by some of the posters were "self-critiques." With the exception of @cd318 , there was silence in response.

Said another way, I was learning far more about the poster than the speaker.

Speakers Do Not Operate In Isolation.

Without the entire system (inclusive of source material, cabling, isolation, power, etc), the room, and the listener being taken into account these 'speaker' discussions are fairly meaningless.

This forum is littered, daily if not hourly with examples, both pro and con on  "speakers" working small wonders or frustrating the poster to no end, generally divorced from their systems and themselves.

Focusing (unflinchingly) on understanding one's own self and learning what one's preferences and dislikes are and which trade-offs and compromises (vis a vis one's self or capabilities) one is willing to accept and live with, would be far more helpful THAN the repeated efforts to analyze and deconstruct speaker attributes (especially isolated from the system and room and the individual).

In other words, Understand Yourself. And keep working on it.

I also believe that our discussions would be markedly more polite if we led from What / Who We Are or where we want to go or what we want to be, rather than the focus on singular components.

I recently had the privilege to experience the effort and time one of our members has put into squeezing the very best out of his multiple systems - all bent to his preferences and offering him the connection to, and understanding of, the music in his special and unique way.

I experienced HIS experience in time and space relative to what he has come to know and become, as expressed through his system and room.

Last evening, I was again exceptionally fortunate to experience a completely different system. What I found was one of the best examples in my audio journey (and to my preferences) of balancing sheer musicality in conjunction with many elements of so-called 'modern hi-fi sound' or 'analytical' sound. This system delivered a thoroughly emotional and breath of life connection to the music.

It wasn't the speaker. It was an expression of these audiophiles choices from source material through room reflections.

It is an art form.
prof  I have a pair of Legacy Focus (originals) in the main listening room and a pair of their Signature IIIs in the living room.  

I have managed to achieve a wide sweet spot only recently.  I aim my speakers so that I can just see the inside sides from the center seat 13 feet away.  Then I use two pair of Shakti Hallographs and 32 SR HFTs mostly on the walls (none on the face of the speakers though-doesn't work for me).   My room is larger at 25' X 23'.  I couldn't imagine the speakers at a 45/45 angle towards me.  

The sound within four feet to the left and right of center now does not have a pronounced sound from the closest speaker on that side.  I find that a very happy situation as just two years ago, there was a severe drop off of sound from the further speaker toward the 5' edges away from the center spot.   

I've heard several Audio Physic speakers and that's something they're great at, disappearing from the room and creating a wide listening area.  Many small monitors can do that too but are destined for smaller rooms.  My former 5 pairs of high end (at the time) electrostats were not good for wide listening areas.  They beamed the sound towards the center spot (heard the same from Sanders speakers-really narrow listening area).  

Among the best disappearing speakers are omnidirectional speakers.  Recently, I auditioned the Carver Amazing speakers which excelled in the mids and highs sending sound evenly throughout the large room (as well as incredible stable imaging). 
prof  I have a pair of Legacy Focus (originals) in the main listening room and a pair of their Signature IIIs in the living room.  

I have managed to achieve a wide sweet spot only recently.  I aim my speakers so that I can just see the inside sides from the center seat 13 feet away.  Then I use two pair of Shakti Hallographs and 32 SR HFTs mostly on the walls (none on the face of the speakers though-doesn't work for me).   My room is larger at 25' X 23'.  I couldn't imagine the speakers at a 45/45 angle towards me.  

The sound within four feet to the left and right of center now does not have a pronounced sound from the closest speaker on that side.  I find that a very happy situation as just two years ago, there was a severe drop off of sound from the further speaker toward the 5' edges away from the center spot.   

I've heard several Audio Physic speakers and that's something they're great at, disappearing from the room and creating a wide listening area.  Many small monitors can do that too but are destined for smaller rooms.  My former 5 pairs of high end (at the time) electrostats were not good for wide listening areas.  They beamed the sound towards the center spot (heard the same from Sanders speakers-really narrow listening area).  

Among the best disappearing speakers are omnidirectional speakers.  Recently, I auditioned the Carver Amazing speakers which excelled in the mids and highs sending sound evenly throughout the large room (as well as incredible stable imaging).