Reminiscing about Dual and AR turntables


Hi Everyone,

Full disclosure, I don't own any vinyl, but I love all sorts of gear. Listen, one thing I have been thinking about are the Dual and AR turntables. When I was a kid, those were super in demand. 

Today I hardly ever hear anyone mention them, instead I see a lot of demand for Thorens. 

I'm just curious from those of you who follow why that might be.

Best,

E
erik_squires
Erik, with what I already mentioned, I owned used two AR-XAs in my systems early on in the hobby.  More recently I restored two others for friends.  When testing the restored versions I was surprised by the very good musical qualities they continued to offer.  I would avoid the earliest 2-motor versions.  Not saying they compete with $2K and up current arm/tables, but still decent and satisfying.

Regarding the AR arm, yes it is often criticized, so some have been replaced.  The problem is it is not simple to modify the metal T-bar the arm mounts to, or the steel top cover if repositioning is required.  But the original arm can be modified for some improvements.  First off would be removing the damping pin.  Then, particularly because of age, it can be rewired.  One weakness is the plastic headshell (it is often broken plus does not allow for offset alignment).  That can be addressed by replacing the entire arm tube/headshell.  Possibly taking parts from an otherwise damaged Technics or similar.

Like so much in used audio, the main considerations may be condition and price of what you find between AR and Dual models.
Had AR turntable with JBL 99 speaker when i used to rock out but never had automatic turntable.Have a much better turntable now TW AC1 with TW 10.5 arm and Transfiguration Proteus.Enjoy!!
I took my AR XA to a machine shop and had the tone arm's bearing well on the T-bar subchassis cut out. I enlarged the hole in the table's top plate myself, and mounted a Formula 4 unipivot arm in the hole on the T-bar. The AR ES-1 is almost identical to the XA/B, but with a mounting plate for either the optional AR arm or one of your choice. For the price the ES-1 sells for, I would opt for it over the XA/B.
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Erik, I am not sure what you mean by “better and easier to buy”.  The vintage Thorens turntables that receive a lot of attention are the TD 124 and the TD 125. There are later models that are also admired by some and used by many. I think all of those turntables are inherently far superior to the AR and generally the Dual turntables as well. The Thorens  turntables may be more plentiful on the used market because more of them were purchased to begin With. Therefore I guess you could say they are “easier to buy”. I am not a big fan of the TD 124 myself, but that’s just my opinion.