Purchase a receiver or what? need your advice.


Hello everyone, I will be purchasing a Sony 65" 930E  during this holiday sales season. Along with it I want to pair it up with a power source that with take advantage of the full 4k experience.

I will have a 7.1 speaker configuration consisting of Polk RTi12 fronts, Polk FXi A6 for the surrounds and rear surrounds, Polk CSi6 center, SVS PB 12 NSD subwoofer.

My source will be a Oppo 205 4K Blueray player. 

I have been looking at two AV receivers... Denon 6400H and Marantz 8012. Their specs are pretty similar. I have a Denon receiver that I use at work that must be 15 years old that I have never had a problem with,  so I kind of trust the build quality of their product.  

So should I pick one of those or should I go another way?

Thanks for your input. 
meambler
I may have to disagree with you just a little bit, soix.  I have heard the older Polk Rti speakers and they are actually a pretty good product.  Not the highest resolution, but very well balanced and definitely not bright/harsh.  Obviously, there are much better speakers, but at this budget, they are pretty darn good.  Another to look at is Elac speakers (another great bang for the buck - and also not bright/harsh).
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But I will agree with you on Yamaha recommendation.  Of the "conventional receivers", I think the Yamaha is the most natural sounding receiver and doesn't suffer from that "bright/cheap receiver sound" that many other receivers do have.  I just didn't want to "push another recommendation", lol.  I recently implemented a Yamaha RX-A2070 with upgraded fuse and power cord.  Result was very excellent.
@meambler

Out of the two options that you listed above I agree with auxinput I would go with the Marantz SR8012.

If pure sound quality is your number one priority I would look into the flagship NAD T787 receiver ($4k), flagsip Rotel RAP-1580 ($3800), Arcam AVR550 ($3500) or AVR850 ($6k) receivers, Cambridge Audio CXR 200 ($2k). But all these receivers, with the exception of the Cambridge CXR200, retail for more than the Marantz SR8012. But the Rotel is very known for having HDMI switching issues and quite buggy. I highly recommend the NAD T787 receiver currently retails for $4k, which is $1k more than the Marantz SR8012 receiver. But the Marantz SR8012 has more up-to-date features and formats compatibility (4k with latest HDR Dolby Vision & HDMI version, Dolby Atmos, DTS-X, Auro 3D).

The Cambridge CXR200 ($2k) is a steal and is $1k cheaper than the Marantz SR8012 and will sound better than the Marantz SR8012 for stereo music playbacks. But the Cambridge CXR200 is not equipped with room correction, which is crucial for surround sound (home theater).

However, all that being said, your Polk RTi 12 speakers would require high current amplification in order to perform optimally. And most if not all AV receivers cannot provide that kind of current. As a result, the sound won’t be full and will be lean. I would highly suggest that you add a stereo power amp just to drive your front Polk RTi 12 speakers and have the AV receiver’s built-in amplifier power the rest of your speakers. For an external stereo power amp I highly recommend the Rotel RB-1590 ($3k) or the Rotel RB-1582 Mkll ($1600) to drive your front Polk RTi 12 speakers. The Polk RTi series are very forward and somewhat bright sounding with lean mid-range presentation. And these newer Rotel RB-1590 or the RB-1582 Mkll amps are more on the warmer side with rich tonal and smooth highs, full thick rich mid-range bloom and button end grunt which will compliment your Polk RTi 12 nicely IMO. You can connect the pre-out for front L/R on the AV receiver to the external power amp and run the speaker wires off the external power amp to your Polk RTi 12 speakers.

Just to let you know that the Rotel RB-1590 stereo power amp is massive and veey heavy (92 lbs) this is a dual mono configuration with 2 separate independent main toroidal transformer power supplies for each channel with separate windings. Even the Rotel RB-1582 Mkll power amp will be able to drive your speakers with ease. The RB-1582 Mkll stereo amp also has a huge oversized main toroidal transformer power supply with each independent separate windings for each channel. The build quality of these two amps are superb considering their modest asking prices and their performances and sound qualities are great especially for the money. These amps never run hot no matter how hard you drive them. They run cool the whole time. The RB-1590 has a lot more power than the RB-1582 Mkll and performs and sounds better too, more resolved than the RB-1582 Mkll.


@auxinput 

Out of curiosity, you mentioned above that recently you were able to test the latest Marantz processor in your system.
Were you referring to the AV8805? If so, how did it perform sonically in comparison to its prodecessor AV8802? 
Just curious. Cause I've heard from someone that the latest AV8805 has been slightly improved over the AV8802. 
Thanks everyone. This set up will be solely for Blueray /4k / Cable Tv / Netflix.

I have a separate 2ch. rig that the Oppo 205 will also be used to listen to music. That consists of... 
Coda CSiB Integrated,
Revel F52 Speakers,
VPI Aries Scout TT with an Ortofon 2m Bronze cart, 
Herron VTPH-1 Phono Stage,
SVS SB-13 Ultra sub,
Teo liquid metal interconnects
and a Morrow Ph-3 cable between the VPI and Herron.

@caphill   "But the Marantz SR8012 has more up-to-date features and formats compatibility (4k with latest HDR Dolby Vision & HDMI version, Dolby Atmos, DTS-X, Auro 3D)."

I do want all the up-to-date do-dads. Along with the Hdmi 2.2 which I understand you must have for true 4k.
Yes, it was the latest AV8805 processor.  I have not directly heard the 8802 or 8803, but I suspect that there really isn't that much difference.  The 8802 was already extremely well designed with large main power supply and a lot of localized power supply capacitors all around the DAC I/V board.  And the "new" version of the Marantz HDAM discrete analog boards.
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I was quite impressed with the AV8805, based on a $4k price tag and expecting the Marantz "warm" signature.  The sound was very full and had a lot of impact and authority (audio percussion and sounds hit with a lot of authority).  That being said, I could tell it was warm with rolled-off highs.  If that was my only exposure to HT processors, I could easily live with it.  It did sound very good.
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That being said, my main proc is Krell S1200U and the Krell basically blew away the Marantz in all ways!  Krell was significantly cleaner in both audio AND video.  Of course audio was not warm sounding and was crystal clear.  However, it was surprising how good the video was on the Krell, since it is just re-transmitting the HDMI signal with the audio stripped out.  With the Marantz, I could tell that the video (through HDMI) was not clean and had a lot of noise.  Images were not as crisp and sharp looking. 

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A lot of this could be explained by the Krell using only linear power supplies (even for digital and video sections).  There isn't any switching power supply in the Krell (even the Foundation uses ONLY LINEAR).  That being said, I think the Marantz warmth could be resolved a lot by placing in a Hi-Fi Tuning Supreme or Silverstar fuse.  That would increase the speed/detail and reduce the warmth, and would probably also increase the sharpness and quality of the HDMI video.