Why should we think of "what microphones heard " as a standard


when they are incapable of hearing everything there is to hear ?
Even some Audiogon yellow badges members can possibly hear better.
inna
I didn’t say that microphones were the biggest problem., but that’s the beginning of the recording chain - microphones in the room.
Yeah, I know it about Pink Floyd. Who did those recordings ? They could’ve at least cleaned the record head and used decent cables.
As one who has been concentrating on lowering the noise floor of my system for the past several years, I’m in complete agreement with Ivan_nosnibor’s above post.

Once the noise floor is lowered beyond a certain level, the realism comes out in spades. This is what we’ve been raving about in both the Total Contact and Omega E Mat threads. This is what Ivan_nosnibor touched on in his above post.

I also agree with nonoise’s above post regarding the recording engineers. They can ruin or make a recording sound great. One test that most of us can’t make is a comparison between a commercial release of a recording, and one that has been burned to a CD direct from the master tape with little or no EQ involved. Flat transfers are truly great ... they make human voice and instruments appear real.

I check out most music recommended here on this site and also in the audio magazines using Spotify. Not all, but most, are drenched in artificial digital reverb and sound as though the recordings were not recorded in a studio, but in a cave. There’s a huge difference between an excellent recording engineer who understands this concept ... and other’s who cannot keep their hands off of the dials and levers.

Simplicity is the answer in my opinion.

Frank

Let me go back to the beginning. The world of music recording is comprised of two, completely separate entities: the audiophile, and the mass market. Audiophile recording engineers evaluate microphones in purist terms---accuracy, etc. Inna, your question is a valid one when speaking of them. But the bulk of your music collection was recorded by engineers with an entirely different approach---using microphones to get a "good" sound, the sound they want. What constitutes good to them? One thing it isn't is literally accurate sound.

The instance I cited above, of micing a snare drum with a Shure SM57, a mic with a presence peak deliberately designed in (the mic is intended for on-stage vocals, where a presence peak makes the singer more audible) is a good example. A mass market recording studio engineer often uses a different mic on each instrument, the sound of the mic used to get a specific sound, one having nothing to do with literal accuracy.

A drumset is often recorded with this collection of mics:

- An Electro-Voice RE20 on the kick

- A Shure SM57 on the snare

- AKG 414's on the toms

- Small diaphragm condenser mics (often Shure or Sony) overhead for cymbals, and on the hi-hat

Each of those mics produces a different recorded sound when used in the same application, the engineer obviously not so much concerned with replicating the actual sound of the drumset, but rather of getting a "commercial" drum sound. I routinely watch an engineer A/B his recording of my drums with a CD of a current hit record, and make adjustments to narrow the gap between the two.

Not only are the mics not used to achieve an accurate recording, the feed from the mixing board is passed through many outboard pieces of outboard electronics on it's way to the recorder. The worst of them imo is the parametric equalizer; when it's adjustment knob is rotated, the sound of the recording is drastically changed, no longer bearing any relationship to the unequalized sound.

It's not simply the microphones whose sound should not be assumed to be providing an accurate recording, but every link in the entire recording chain. The electronics that the sound captured by the mics are passed through are far more responsible for the sound you hear on the vast majority of your LP's, CD's, etc. than are the mics themselves.

My learning journey started by listening via Stax cans to microphone feeds before and after tape on the high speed Revox ..... and comparing that to what I hear in the acoustical space of the performance....

i will say from a physics point point of view transducers tend to have the highest distortion... converting one kind of energy into another is difficult

there are some fantastic new ribbon and other microphones out or in development, some just as colored ( intentional) as the big $$$ rare vintage gear

Royer comes to mind....

cool thread

My next project will use an Ambisonic microphone array ( vintage if I can find it )....

check out Cowboy Junkies - Trinity Sessions for a taste...

dig your inputs Eric
my experiments are two microphone only, so my commercial drum sound sucks!!! Ha