No one actually knows how to lculate what speaker cable they need

b4icu,

I think you made a few quick statements that are incorrect or, at least partial.

"Till my thread you were thinking it is good only for jump start cables!"

It may be that way, but it did not seem to me. However, inconvenience of very thick cables is a big factor, as reported by a few people who tried it on this thread, including yourself. What good is a perfection when it is hard to implement? I am not saying that in theory or practice the sound will not be "better" but that for many that may be impossible to achieve due to practical constraints. I was hoping to try and then realized it simply would not work for me in the long run (timewise, not wirewise). So, for many, thick wire may really be good only for jump start cables.

"All the sudden, DF is a factor to choose a speaker cable!"

Some posters have disputed the importance of DF earlier in the thread. I have not followed that closely so I am not sure if those are the ones you consider "changing skin" in the meantime but I do remember people trying to argue their view of it. It may not be that DF became important but simply that people took your statements seriously, thought of them, and extended their opinion to you/us. Some might have gotten enlightened along the way. Nothing wrong with that.

"None of you went into the understanding how and why this additional resistance of a cable is effecting your sound."

I am technical-knowledge-challenged but I did ask how does going from a thick (0 AWG) cable to the connecting piece (8? 14?, I forgot but it looked much thinner on the picture) influence the whole cable system. Does it negate, or at least diminish, the benefits of that thick cable that came before it? I would guess, correct me if I am wrong, that it adds resistance so I asked. You might have overlooked my question or I might have overlooked your answer. Either way, someone did think about additional resistance.

"Going back to my say, that most of you are having the wrong cable connected in your system!"

It may be true, but claiming something so sternly about thousands of systems around the world that one has never heard or combinations that one could hardly imagine may not be the best approach. In some church-like environment, maybe, but, in going "against" multiple adults who may posses many skills you are not aware of, it comes across as a bit arrogant. And, easily, silly in its error. Better leave the door open that you are not infallible, either.

"For the naggers, you changed your skin in a second, as a salamander camouflage, even thou nothing really changed in my claim. Is that shows what kind of people you are?"

Open-minded, ready to accept different views when presented in a reasonable fashion, willing to improve, not stubborn, not arrogant "my way or no way", etc. In short, great bright people. Hardly lizards.

"Do you know how much clutter is on the web?"

We all do. This thread is not the only one. It is a fun clutter, though.

Mr. glupson

1.       "How does going from a thick (0 AWG) cable to the connecting piece (8? 14)?"

 

Solutions were provided by some who implemented their DIY solution, so did I with a crimping device and some soldering. I used 8 AWG.

The ends of such a cable have some contribution to the total resistance, but it is negligible because they are very short. That ending has also a physical benefit of strain relief over the rest of the thick cable. 

It was answered by me.

2.       "That most of you are having the wrong cable connected in your system!", "It may be true".

 

As no one ever thought his cable needs to be calculated, the industry and the sales people made and sale cables of thin wire with thick urban myth crap, for reasons of par. 1 and costs, and as most that have an amplifier with better DF than 150 are in this category. As a fact, for all those, they use and hear only a fraction of their system potential! No matter what they've told about the 14 AWG cable of how hi end it is and what story it has to justify a hefty rip off.

3.       My thread is no clutter. I stand behind my word and those who gave it a try approve it loud and clear. You are invited to give it a try too. You have more to gain than to lose.

 

Mr. glupson

"Open-minded, ready to accept different views when presented in a reasonable fashion, willing to improve, not stubborn, not arrogant "my way or no way", etc. In short, great bright people. Hardly lizards".

I thing different.

Most people on this thread (many silent), are in this hobby from love their audio hobby. You know that the upgrade bug is very active, from the obvious reason that all want a better sound. If not now, for sure later. This thread, and threads like this should serve that well. I would expect them to listen to new ideas, to try (for a reasonable expense of under $100) and to make up their mind, if they were skeptic.

For those I called "naggers", they had a different agenda. They do not love the audio as we do. They love the income from it. This thread is a serious threat on their income and industry. It is hard to accept and admit that for so long they had no idea what they are doing, at a time they were telling the most convincing urban myths and charging for that an arm and a leg. They are to lose trust and face toward their clients. What can they say to justify an entire industry that was so ignorant for so long, telling lies and myths while their cables were far from what they should be.

At this point of the thread, their reaction is well aligned with that behavior along the rest of this thread.

 

 

"The resistance of #14 vs. #0 is remaining relative, no matter of length. It will apply to any length from 1 m to 1 km or 1 cm."

Perhaps, but at REAL WORLD lengths, the relative difference is 
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