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My Long List of Amplifiers and My Personal Review of Each!

So I have been in a long journey looking to find the best amplifiers for my martin logan montis. As you know, the match between an amplifier and speakers has to be a good "marriage" and needs to be blend exquisitely. Right now, I think I might have found the best sounding amplifier for martin logan. I have gone through approximately 34-36 amplifiers in the past 12 months. Some of these are:

Bryston ST, SST, SST2 series
NAD M25
PARASOUND HALO
PARASOUND CLASSIC
KRELL TAS
KRELL KAV 500
KRELL CHORUS
ROTEL RMB 1095
CLASSE CT 5300
CLASSE CA 2200
CLASSE CA 5200
MCINTOSH MC 205
CARY AUDIO CINEMA 7
OUTLAW AUDIO 755
LEXICON RX7
PASS LABS XA 30.8
BUTLER AUDIO 5150
ATI SIGNATURE SERIES 6005

With all that said, the amplifiers I mentioned above are the ones that in my opinion are worth mentioning. To make a long story short, there is NO 5 CHANNEL POWER AMP that sounds as good as a 3ch and 2ch amplifier combination. i have done both experiments and the truth is that YOU DO lose details and more channel separation,etc when you select a 5 channel power amplifier of any manufacturer.
My recollection of what each amp sounded like is as follows:

ATI SIGNATURE SERIES 6005 (great power and amazing soundstage. Very low noise floor, BUT this amplifiers NEEDS TO BE cranked up in order to fully enjoy it. If you like listening at low volume levels or somewhat moderate, you are wasting your time here. This amp won’t sound any different than many other brands out there at this volume. The bass is great, good highs although they are a bit bright for my taste)

NAD M25 (very smooth, powerful, but somewhat thin sounding as far as bass goes)
Bryston sst2(detailed, good soundstage, good power, but can be a little forward with certain speakers which could make them ear fatiguing at loud volumes)

Krell (fast sounding, nice bass attack, nice highs, but some detail does get lost with certain speakers)

rotel (good amp for the money, but too bright in my opinion)

cary audio (good sound overall, very musical, but it didn’t have enough oomph)

parasound halo (good detail, great bass, but it still holds back some background detail that i can hear in others)

lexicon (very laid back and smooth. huge power, but if you like more detail or crisper highs, this amp will disappoint you)

McIntosh mc205 (probably the worst multichannel amp given its price point. it was too thin sounding, had detail but lacked bass.

butler audio (good amplifier. very warm and smooth sweet sounding. i think for the money, this is a better amp than the parasound a51)

pass labs (very VERY musical with excellent bass control. You can listen to this for hours and hours without getting ear fatigue. however, it DOES NOT do well in home theater applications if all you have is a 2 channel set up for movies. The midrange gets somewhat "muddy" or very weak sounding that you find yourself trying to turn it up.

classe audio (best amplifier for multi channel applications. i simply COULDNT FIND a better multi channel amplifier PERIOD. IT has amazing smoothness, amazing power and good bass control although i would say krell has much better bass control)

Update: The reviews above were done in January 2015. Below is my newest update as of October 2016:



PS AUDIO BHK 300 MONOBLOCKS: Amazing amps. Tons of detail and really amazing midrange. the bass is amazing too, but the one thing i will say is that those of you with speakers efficiency of 87db and below you will not have all the "loudness" that you may want from time to time. These amps go into protection mode when using a speaker such as the Salon, but only at very loud levels. Maybe 97db and above. If you don’t listen to extreme crazy levels, these amps will please you in every way.

Plinius Odeon 7 channel amp: This is THE BEST multichannel amp i have ever owned. Far , but FAR SUPERIOR to any other multichannel amp i have owned. In my opinion it destroyed all of the multichannel amps i mentioned above and below. The Odeon is an amp that is in a different tier group and it is in a league of its own. Amazing bass, treble and it made my center channel sound more articulate than ever before. The voices where never scrambled with the action scenes. It just separated everything very nicely.

Theta Dreadnaught D: Good detailed amp. Looks very elegant, has a pleasant sound, but i found it a tad too bright for my taste. I thought it was also somewhat "thin" sounding lacking body to the music. could be that it is because it is class d?

Krell Duo 300: Good amp. Nice and detailed with enough power to handle most speakers out there. I found that it does have a very nice "3d" sound through my electrostatics. Nothing to fault here on this amp.
Mark Levinson 532H: Great 2 channel amp. Lots of detail, amazing midrange which is what Mark Levinson is known for. It sounds very holographic and will please those of you looking for more detail and a better midrange. As far as bass, it is there, but it is not going to give you the slam of a pass labs 350.5 or JC1s for example. It is great for those that appreciate classical music, instrumental, etc, but not those of you who love tons of deep bass.

 It is articulate sounding too
Krell 7200: Plenty of detail and enough power for most people. i found that my rear speakers contained more information after installed this amp. One thing that i hated is that you must use xlr cables with this amp or else you lose most of its sound performance when using RCA’s.

Krell 402e: Great amp. Very powerful and will handle any speaker you wish. Power is incredible and with great detail. That said, i didn’t get all the bass that most reviewers mentioned. I thought it was "ok" in regards to bass. It was there, but it didn’t slam me to my listening chair.

Bryston 4B3: Good amp with a complete sound. I think this amp is more laid back than the SST2 version. I think those of you who found the SST2 version of this amp a little too forward with your speakers will definitely benefit from this amp’s warmth. Bryston has gone towards the "warm" side in my opinion with their new SST3 series. As always, they are built like tanks. I wouldn’t call this amp tube-like, but rather closer to what the classe audio delta 2 series sound like which is on the warm side of things.

Parasound JC1s: Good powerful amps. Amazing low end punch (far superior bass than the 402e). This amp is the amp that i consider complete from top to bottom in regards to sound. Nothing is lacking other than perhaps a nicer chassis. Parasound needs to rework their external appearance when they introduce new amps. This amp would sell much more if it had a revised external appearance because the sound is a great bang for the money. It made my 800 Nautilus scream and slam. Again, amazing low end punch.

Simaudio W7: Good detailed amp. This amp reminds me a lot of the Mark Levinson 532h. Great detail and very articulate. I think this amp will go well with bookshelves that are ported in order to compensate for what it lacks when it comes to the bass. That doesn’t mean it has no bass, but when it is no Parasound JC1 either.
Pass labs 350.5: Wow, where do i begin? maybe my first time around with the xa30.8 wasn’t as special as it was with this monster 350.5. It is just SPECTACULAR sounding with my electrostatics. The bass was THE BEST BASS i have ever heard from ANY amp period. The only amp that comes close would be the jC1s. It made me check my settings to make sure the bass was not boosted and kept making my jaw drop each time i heard it. It totally destroyed the krell 402e in every regard. The krell sounded too "flat" when compared to this amp. This amp had amazing mirange with great detail up top. In my opinion, this amp is the best bang for the money. i loved this amp so much that i ended up buying the amp that follows below.

Pass labs 250.8: What can i say here. This is THE BEST STEREO AMP i have ever heard. This amp destroys all the amps i have listed above today to include the pass labs 350.5. It is a refined 350.5 amp. It has more 3d sound which is something the 350.5 lacked. It has a level of detail that i really have never experienced before and the bass was amazing as well. I really thought it was the most complete power amplifier i have ever heard HANDS DOWN. To me, this is a benchmark of an amplifier. This is the amp that others should be judged by. NOTHING is lacking and right now it is the #1 amplifier that i have ever owned.

My current amps are Mcintosh MC601s: i decided to give these 601s a try and they don’t disappoint. They have great detail, HUGE soundstage, MASSIVE power and great midrange/highs. The bass is great, but it is no pass labs 250.8 or 350.5. As far as looks, these are the best looking amps i have ever owned. No contest there. i gotta be honest with you all, i never bought mcintosh monos before because i wasn’t really "wowed" by the mc452, but it could have been also because at that time i was using a processor as a preamp which i no longer do. Today, i own the Mcintosh C1100 2 chassis tube preamp which sounds unbelievable. All the amps i just described above have been amps that i auditioned with the C1100 as a preamp. The MC601s sound great without a doubt, but i will say that if you are looking for THE BEST sound for the money, these would not be it. However, Mcintosh remains UNMATCHED when it comes to looks and also resale value. Every other amp above depreciates much faster than Mcintosh.

That said, my future purchase (when i can find a steal of a deal) will be the Pass labs 350.8. I am tempted to make a preliminary statement which is that i feel this amp could be THE BEST stereo amp under 30k dollars. Again, i will be able to say more and confirm once i own it. I hope this update can help you all in your buying decisions!


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mikepaul
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bigddesign3..thanks for all the info...I am still a little fuzzy on sub hookups.. I use a REF6 preamp and it does not have a sub output or LFE output.

What is meant by "direct connection to the amplifier’s speaker outputs"?

Am i overlapping the speaker cable connections? on the amplifier?

The preamp has (2) MAIN OUTS. One obviously goes to the amp L & R. Would other be used for subs L&R?

Sorry if these questions are silly. The only familiarity with a sub I have had is my home theater setup with a receiver===plug n play..lol

Thanks for the assist!
viber6
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mikepaul,
I agree with bigddesign3 just above.  I differ slightly only whether you get the REL first for your 15a.  The 15a is a hybrid with a woofer than goes down fairly low, but the CLX is a pure electrostatic whose -3dB point is a high 56 Hz, so the CLX is more in need of the added woofer.  I forgot the crossover point of the 15a--maybe 300 Hz or so.  The woofer in the 15a will contribute sound significantly higher than that.  So for the range of 56 to maybe 500 Hz, the CLX gives you much purer electrostatic speed, etc.  This is the range of all male and a lot of female voices in their fundamental tones.  The voices will be far superior on the CLX.  HF will be superior also, because of the narrower focused CLX panel for the mids/HF compared to the 15a.  The HF overtones of the voices will be more accurate, so the complete tone of the voices will be more focused and pure.  Now suppose you went for the CLX first, without the woofer. Of course, the low bass would be missing, but the mid bass and higher overtones would be much more accurately revealed by the CLX large flat stat panel than the 15a dynamic woofer.  The CLX bass panel is still smaller than the Neo panel, and the smaller flat panel is more focused and accurate than the curved panel of the Neo, so the CLX is superior to the Neo except for dynamics.  Psychoacoustically, accurate overtones makes you think that you are getting lower bass fundamentals, even though they are missing.  My Audiostatics are markedly deficient in bass, but I am satisfied because I have very accurate mid bass.  Think of the bite of bass instruments like the tuba and string bass.  These instruments are best revealed if the entire frequency range is reproduced by the peerless electrostatic membrane, rather than a hybrid.  Kettle drums in the orchestra have fundamentals about 100 Hz, so it is clear that the CLX would be superior for that.  The same goes for most of the lower winds in the orchestra, and most saxophones.  If money is tight, go for the CLX first, then add the woofer later.  From bigddesign3's description, it seems that the accuracy of the REL better suits the CLX than the wall-rattling other woofers.  The REL seems to be a good value, also.  Maximum quality all the way, rather than quantity.
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mikepaul
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viber6 and bigddesign3...I appreciate your input. I recall that whitecamaross had both CLX and 15A and he lauded both.

Just to clarify, I absolutely love the 15a's. I would not consider using any subs with them because ,in truth, they pretty much cover all my bases. I am set for quite awhile.

I just happened to mention or ponder, like we all do, what kind of an upgrade or change would I consider in the future.

And the only thing I would consider (and afford) and to keep the "house sound" aka MartinLogan===is possibly the CLX/SUBWOOFER  setup.

But as i mentioned to viber6, I am comfortable with my present gear and now I/we are living vicariously through whitecamaross and enjoying his journey!
viber6
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mikepaul,
Good for you that you are presently happy with the 15a.  It is an excellent full range speaker.  It beats any dynamic speaker at any price for accuracy and musically important criteria, except for possibly bass.  If your priority is bass, you aren't looking at ML anyway.  But for all other criteria, ML is just about the best available.  But I think it is interesting that the price of the CLX is the same as the 15a.  For the same money, you get significantly superior accuracy above 56 Hz.  Just adding the reasonably priced REL would let you have it all, the ultimate accuracy and bass extension and quality.  Save for the CLX, maybe get a good trade-in on your 15a.  This would be a better investment than getting better amps, cables, etc.  No rush, since you are happy.
ron17
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@viper6

In your 11/7 post you stated "Ported designs try to get more bass by having the port blow the air to the back wall for reinforcement, but one poster here says he hates ported designs."  

Which poster are you referring to?
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