My Experience with Dave from Audio Doctor NJ


First off, let me say that I am a novice when it comes to digital music setups. I started this thread looking for advice on my next purchase:  https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/trying-to-decide-on-my-next-purchase/post?postid=1580061#1580...

I am considering buying a NAD 50.2.  I received a very helpful response from Dave at Audio Doctor in NJ.  Helpful, because it offered me what seems to be a better alternative, in my price range, the Innous Zenith.  I did some quick research and was impressed with what I read.  Anyone who can, please chime in on their experience with a  Innous Zenith MKII.

A couple of hours later I received a phone call from Dave.  We discussed many topics such as the pro's and con's of the NAD 50.2 versus the Innous Zenith, and things that I could do to improve my listening experience. He asked me why I chose to use a NAD 12/NAD 22 v2 with a pair of Tannoy 8 dcti speakers because they don't pair well, and he's right.  Some music sounds really awesome, but sometimes the highs are too bright and some transitions are too much "in your face."  

He recommended several speaker brands that would pair better with my setup, such as a pair of Legacy Focus SE offered by another dealer on agon, or Legacy Caliber speakers.  He also recommend tube amps or integrated amps that would pair well with my Tannoy speakers.  We spent about 30 minutes discussing other digital music considerations, leaving me with a lot of useful food for thought, as well as, helping me understand more of the complexities of building a good (enough) digital music system.   I truly appreciated his advice and desire to help me make an informed decision no matter what I purchase.  

Now, I wasn't born yesterday so I was a bit surprised that he recommended I reach out to another dealer regarding the Legacy speakers - even though he sells them.  I also appreciate that he did not try to sell me anything.  A lot of people sell the products/equipment I'm looking for - but caring customer service is hard to find.  I've yet to purchase anything from Audio Doctor, but they will definitely be on my short list when I finally decide.  
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Guys, digital is a strange beast and most folks just don't want to spend the time to ask the right questions or do it correctly.  There are some outstanding pieces of digital gear, but it may be the most important place in the system to have synergy.  I relate it to the tonearm/cart marriage.

I've spend way too much time with so many pieces of digital, filters, LPS units, Cables, cords and of course signal optical isolation.  There are some key places to look at and electrical is soooo important.  You must start with clean electric power. Even more so than with an amp for some reason.  Then you need to figure out what DAC you will ultimately be using and then the connection.  Some are optimized for USB and some for Etherrnet and some for.....  Even my Ayre, that Charlie himself said was optimized for all inputs sounded best in my system with the ethernet and then the BNC connections.  Small, but noticeable differences (I did love that DAC, especially for the price).  

The best main stream server I heard was the Aurender N10 (as well as the W20).  They just got things right and are so easy to use.  Most folks won't miss not having Room with it either.  The Innuos is a nice unit also as are many of the new servers coming out.  It's in it's infancy.  I ended up with a Memory Player and I've heard nothing on the market that comes close to it for any price.  I am in shock by the new DAC that they are making for it.  I have the prototype and it's already great.  Upside/downside to many top digital products.....support.  Smaller companies will be around as long as the designer/owners are.  That's important to many, but if you want the best digital sounds, so far it's a small group of companies that I've found who are the best adn give you the personal attention you need, but how long will they be able to?  

I know that the Memory Player folks (not to be confused with PS Audio who sells a Memory Player, but isn't the same company, lol) has a mini server that shares much of the tech with my reference unit and is a great value also.  I know a few guys who love that one too.  

it's impossible to audition so many of these units as they are factory direct, so this is why so many will stick to a dealer.  If through a dealer, I'd ask them how long they have carried the line.  I'd take a look at how often the company 'refreshes their models'.  Is it the same model that they have just kept upgrading over time (Aurender is like this I know as are a few others) or are their mk 2's and 3's and 4's every two years.  In digital, they should be able to do software updates to keep their products shelf lives at the 7 year range or so. They can do it in digital if they design it correctly to begin with.  Those were my criteria.  

There are a ton of great products and dealers to chose from, so go listen and use your ears.  Just make sure you use a great neutral cable and feed it the cleanest power you can afford.  I use the new AQ Niagara cleaner (sold my top end Synergistic Research) and the new Hurricane power cords as I have found them to bet the best in MY system IRT power. I borrowed MANY cords and none were close and that includes a few in the 8k plus range.  Oh, I didn't keep the optical isolation (although you can't go wrong with it) as I found the $130 EMO medical filter to be best for my ethernet feed, but you then need two ethernet cables, lol...was worth it for my Tidal streaming.
ctsooner: Guys, digital is a strange beast and most folks just don’t want to spend the time to ask the right questions or do it correctly.
Strange beast no doubt!! When first indulging in any endeavor, such as digital music, I think most people don’t know how much they don’t know. So they don’t know the right questions to ask. I place myself in that category. The transition from pure analog to pure or hybrid digital can be a steep and expensive learning curve as I’ve found out.

When jumping into digital music, I got a great deal on a pair of Tannoy 8 dcti speakers. IMHO they are excellent speakers at their price point. My next purchase was a NAD 12 pre & NAD 22 v2 power amp. At first, the highs were way too bright; the mids were too "in your face"; and the bass was fine. So I started doing some research. Almost everyone said a tube amp and acoustic treatment would solve my problem. So, I did some more research.

My next purchase was a Furman 15psi power conditioner. Then a demo Innuos Zenith MK2 from a local dealer, along with a Wireworld Ethernet cable, Wireworld USB cable, and Wireworld power cable. Streaming Tidal, playing ripped FLAC CDs and DSD files opened my eyes to how wonderful a digital system can sound.

My next purchases were VooDoo power cables for the Furman, M12, and M22 v2. As time when on, I noticed the highs and mids settled down a bit and the SQ became more "lush."

My next purchase was a Technics SL-1200G and Ortofon Quintet Black, with Ortofon interconnects and a power cable, which replaced my 35 year old Technics SL-1600MK2 w/ Ortofon Blue. I’ve never heard vinyl sound so good!

By this time, all of new gear was sounding pretty good. But, I know I still need acoustic treatment. But, I’m not convinced I need tubes anywhere in my music chain. I recently purchased a Mytek Liberty DAC at the DC audio show and noticed an immediate sonic sound improvement. I’m now looking to purchase a better phono preamp, with the Music Fidelity MX-VYNL and REGA - Aria on my short list.

I plan to listen to that combination for about a while, and then decide my next steps. I listen mostly to Jazz and old school R&B, at moderate levels. When I do "crank" it up a bit, the sound is a little overwhelming - due mainly because I have a small 11.5 x 13.5 listening room (and no acoustic treatment).

I joined the DC HIFI Club this past month. The wealth of knowledge and experience in that group is awesome. I’m looking forward to learning more as I continue on this journey.



great post.  Thanks, I feel better about my own journey now, lol.  

Also, most run FLAC as it's easy and you get the art, but most top designers I know only use WAV and that's what I use.  I have about 1T of Flac now, but we will change it over to WAV.  
Great post and thanks for sharing.I feel better about myself now, lol.

Folks, so many use FLAC as it's easy and you get album art easier etc....  Try the same files in WAV.  Many designers will tell yo it's much better for SQ.  I feel the same way.  
Great thread! I am in DC area too. As a matter of fact, the US Distributor of Innuos is located in Tyson’s Corner. Well Pleased Audio. They were present at CAF, with their own room, and Mark Sosa himself.

The local dealer for Innuos in our area is Command Performance AV, in Falls Church. You may want to pay them a visit @oldschool1948. They were at CAF too, and using the Zennith MKII