Roger,
Wow! What a fast moving post. Glad to see all the interest.
"There is a lot to this question so lets hear back from you and others."
First off, I suspect many of us non-technical types may not know much about clipping. I've been aware of it a few times but suspect it occurred other times when I was not certain what was happening. In my experience I've heard the sonics become thin, hard or harsh, even metallic (as opposed to musical) when pushed to loud levels but before the crack or pop of an actual clip. I considered that a related but slightly different issue.
When listening for pleasure it is generally in the 80-85 dB range. But I doubt my RS dB meter is accurate to identify actual peaks so I'm unsure of those.
Regarding amps > 100 wpc, for many years I enjoyed a large pair of Duntech speakers, rated at 90 dB. John Dunlavy recommended 200 wpc for "full musical enjoyment". I experimented with a variety of amps (tube and SS) rated from 30 to 300 watts. I finally settled on a pair of VTL 300 monos for a few years. That was until I heard Curl's Halo JC-1s, rated at 800 wpc into the speaker's designated 4 ohms. That was the best I found - musically accurate, solid bass (determined by good recordings of acoustic upright bass), and effortless, unstrained sonics. To be fair I don't believe the 90 dB efficiency was accurate with such a complex 1st order crossover.
I've since moved on from that system but continue to believe this question of headroom is very important. Interestingly I remember hearing several times some years ago the idea that within a given line up of amps, the model with 60 to 120 watts was likely the best sounding.
I did have a RM-9 for a few years, one of those few components I was later sorry I sold.
Wow! What a fast moving post. Glad to see all the interest.
"There is a lot to this question so lets hear back from you and others."
First off, I suspect many of us non-technical types may not know much about clipping. I've been aware of it a few times but suspect it occurred other times when I was not certain what was happening. In my experience I've heard the sonics become thin, hard or harsh, even metallic (as opposed to musical) when pushed to loud levels but before the crack or pop of an actual clip. I considered that a related but slightly different issue.
When listening for pleasure it is generally in the 80-85 dB range. But I doubt my RS dB meter is accurate to identify actual peaks so I'm unsure of those.
Regarding amps > 100 wpc, for many years I enjoyed a large pair of Duntech speakers, rated at 90 dB. John Dunlavy recommended 200 wpc for "full musical enjoyment". I experimented with a variety of amps (tube and SS) rated from 30 to 300 watts. I finally settled on a pair of VTL 300 monos for a few years. That was until I heard Curl's Halo JC-1s, rated at 800 wpc into the speaker's designated 4 ohms. That was the best I found - musically accurate, solid bass (determined by good recordings of acoustic upright bass), and effortless, unstrained sonics. To be fair I don't believe the 90 dB efficiency was accurate with such a complex 1st order crossover.
I've since moved on from that system but continue to believe this question of headroom is very important. Interestingly I remember hearing several times some years ago the idea that within a given line up of amps, the model with 60 to 120 watts was likely the best sounding.
I did have a RM-9 for a few years, one of those few components I was later sorry I sold.