The nightmare of the cartridge buyer...


I recently completed a several year quest to acquire a new cartridge. This quest was basically a major PITA and a nightmare!

Why? Well let’s take a look at what will be in store for all cartridge buyers’ in the US...and possibly other countries as well..IF they are seeking a top flite cartridge , like I was.

Firstly, and here’s where a big part of the problem lies: You will typically be unable to audition any cartridge under consideration...certainly not in your own home and more often than not, at your dealers either.

Then we have the fact that these products are closely monitored for who and whom can act as a dealer...which is then severally restricted by territory and distribution. We then add that the pricing is very well controlled...CAN WE SAY PRICE FIXING...which in most states is an illegal practice...but seems to be the rule here.


Let’s begin with my story...and then I am hoping that members will chime in here with their thoughts and probably also their own ’horror stories’....

About three years ago, I decided to acquire a cartridge that would replace my aging but still ok Benz Ruby 2...
I wanted a cartridge that would surpass that Benz in most areas...and one that would be priced at about $3-$5K. A lot of money to be spending on this piece of gear...or so I believed.

At the time, I was considering the following models....Benz LPS MR, Koetsu Urushi and Rosewood Platinum and the Lyra Kleos, Delos, a EMT, the Kiseki Purpleheart, Air Tight ( entry level model at the time..cannot remember what it was called) an Ortofon A90--and a Transfiguration Proteus--lastly one of the ZYX models. After some research, i discovered that the Ortofon’s, the Zyx’s and the Transfigurations wouldn’t work with my set up --due to too low an output by the respective cartridges for my all tube phono stage. So this left the Kiseki, the Koetsu’s, the Lyra’s and the Benz’s...and possibly the Air Tight model.

Circumstances changed and my cartridge buying escapade was put on hold...until a few months back. In the few years since my last foray, I find out that Benz have basically gone out of business ( again!!) and so has Transfiguration. Meanwhile, the Van Den Hul line has come into the US again...this time with a new distributor.
The Zyx line has totally been updated and the Lyra line is now more available than before...at least in theory. The Koetsu are now handled by Music Direct...who have essentially doubled the pricing across the board! Oh, i forgot, the Lyra line has increased by about 25% across the board ( i don’t think inflation can account for this!!)
So where to start auditioning --the answer...nowhere!
Instead I am supposed to rely on various dealers enthusiastic recommendation for these products...except for the fact that one dealer tells me that Koetsu’s are the best thing since mothers milk- and the other tells me that Koetsu’s are horrible with all the faults under the sun...( at least the ones that are in my budget..see above!) Can I hear any of these for myself...either in my system, or at the respective dealers...heck NO! ( and don’t think this type of scenario/ behavior isn’t consistent for other brands as well!--irrespective of whether the dealer(s) carries said brand or not!).

Here I am left with the choice of dropping several thousand dollars on a product that a) has no ability to be heard in my own system..therefore having no clue as to the results that I will get, b) has absolutely no return policy c) can be easily damaged by myself or others in the case of incorrect mounting to the tonearm...and lastly...and this is the one that really annoys me the most: I must shop for these products at a very limited amount of vendors who all are naysaying their competitors and acting extremely unprofessionally in the process. ( Do i really have to talk to the prospective rep for the line in order to determine the compatibility of the cartridge under question with my arm, the reasoning behind the asked price, where the dealer is that should be selling me the piece in question ( so as not to cross territorial lines) and on and on!!)

Then we have this little bonbon...The damn Japanese sourced cartridge(s) is available on several Japanese web sites at a price that is usually 50 -60% of the retail price here in the USA!! And that price in Japan is still at FULL RETAIL! ( Yes, I know it cost a ton of money to ship these things from Japan to here ( since they weigh a ton), LOL).

Where does this leave the US consumer in regards to the acquisition of a top flite cartridge...IMO the answer is between a hard place and a rock..You either pay through the nose and get totally ripped off by the likes of Music Direct and the various small independent reps in the US for these cartridges, or you takes your choice and risk buying from a grey market vendor abroad...but at a fraction of the price! BTW, mysteriously most of the top flite Benz cartridges continue to be very available from a vendor in China who seems to have cornered the market?? What’s up with this??

I can go on and about this journey, as I have just began to scratch the top of the heap in this story, but let’s hear from you guys as to your experiences and thoughts.... Was your top flite  cartridge acquisition an equal nightmare, or was it something else?






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Well that was fast Dave. You're insinuating nobody knows what to look for, fair enough (I guess). I have access to very high powered microscopes and stay on the safe side... If it is even questionable, it gets a new stylus. If it doesn't get a new stylus, I set it up exactly as it should be & take special note of how the suspension is when setting it in the first groove. Again, if it looks questionable, the stylus gets replaced. This doesn't have to be rocket science.

Your turn... 
Ok my turn, lol...boxer12
Please do tell us what a worn Shibata stylus looks like, or a worn micro ridge, or worn line contact, or even a worn out elliptical. I’m not saying you don’t know what they look like when they are worn, as I am certainly hoping you can share that information with me...and the other members. However, I am saying that most people have absolutely no clue. Including dealers and other ‘professionals’, who are only too happy to guess at it!
Now here’s the other problem with many high end MC cartridges, IME, replacing the stylus with a Soundsmith,or other non factory replacement, results in a cartridge that is usually a fraction of what it used to be when factory fresh.
Whether this issue applies to vintage SPUs etc., which presumably can be rebuilt by the factory, I have no idea, but I’m not willing to go through the hassles of finding out.YMMV.
Dave,
" Please do tell us what a worn Shibata stylus looks like, or a worn micro ridge, or worn line contact, or even a worn out elliptical. I’m not saying you don’t know what they look like when they are worn, as I am certainly hoping you can share that information with me...and the other members"

Maybe it's just the "do" in your questions (I suspect it's more) but you come off as pretty condescending Dave. To know what those cuts look like, one can use google. All the information is there & that is what I do. Again, if it looks questionable, I replace it. I can tell you in all honesty that I haven't trashed any vinyl following the process stated in my previous post.    
@boxer12. You are telling us that you know what these diamonds look like when they are worn by looking at Google examples...??
For example, a worn out Micro ridge stylus has what damage to the facet and at what angle? I may sound condescending here, because frankly I am sick of hearing from people who defend their Bs with more Bs.
Don’t get me wrong, you may have the necessary experience, I have no way of knowing, but your last point about Google is making me wonder.
Sorry, but IF you really have no clue about what a worn out stylus looks like, then I think you might want to state that and not try and defend a position that is BS.
Over the years, I have spoken to numerous folks who have told me that their experience with buying used cartridges has led to one disaster after another. Mostly due to worn out styluses and worn out suspensions. Now according to others here, there is no issue with buying an old vintage cartridge with thousands of hours on the stylus and then being perfectly happy with the results...this is exactly what brought my friend into the vintage cartridge fold. Unfortunately, for him, the cost was quite high, maybe for others they don’t care, but like I stated, please make sure I never buy any vinyl from you!
Dave,
First off,
I wouldn't knowingly sell you anything. ever.
Second,
You made another big jump from google to bs. Just because my process doesn't fit into your wheelhouse, doesn't mean it's bs. Google images can be your friend here. It is not hard to compare what you see in a microscope to an image of what it is supposed to look like.  
Third,
I don't recall anyone here stating that they bought an old vintage cartridge with thousands of hours on the stylus and being perfectly happy with the results. That would not be prudent & frankly your friend should have seen some type of red flag there. 
Fourth,
To state that numerous people have complained about buying used cartridges really holds no weight. People complain about everything. Your post reaffirms this to a "T". That stated, I'm sure if I looked hard enough, I could find numerous people complain about any cartridge bought, new or used.