Running Benchmark AHB2 in bridged mode and 4 Ohm Speaker

I had mentioned in my review that the AHB2 is not able to drive the Kingsound King III electrostatic to an unlimited level of listening. However, there is no degradation of sound as the amp is pushed to its limit, and there is no degradation associated with mono use.

How did one stereo amp sound to a level it was comfortable at, and then the bridged at the same level? To gauge which sounded better. Not which could go louder!

George is correct and one amp might sound better. Im curious what the owner of these speakers considers unlimited level?  Lets watch the words.

BTW, ESLs exhibit clipping very similar to amplifier clipping. This occurrs when the air gap saturates, and I assure you it does. One can often smell the ozone close up to the speaker.... im not kidding.

Once an amp clips feedback cannot make up for these losses.

I agree, but amp that doubles power exactly has to have adequate power supply AND deep negative feedback.  Exact doubling implies perfect regulation (ideal voltage source), that is not possible without deep feedback.

@kijanki  I agree, but amp that doubles power exactly has to have adequate power supply AND deep negative feedback. Exact doubling implies perfect regulation (ideal voltage source), that is not possible without deep feedback.

What part do you agree with? If you do agree that feedback does not make up for these losses why do you keep bringing up deep feedback. (also a term I have never heard)

1. What about the emitter resistors? You cannot ignore them. 

2. How good is the supply regulation? 1% ?

3. What does the deep feedback have to do with it? If the damping is even 10 thats enough. Its only going to affect the shape of the clipping and make it worse not better.

If for some silly reason you want the power to exactly double then you make a power supply that puts out more voltage as more current is drawn. Kinda upside down idea. 

If you can site an amplifier that exactly doubles bring it on. Show me.

Ramtubes, I explained exactly what I agreed with by quoting your statement - read again.

Why are you bringing emitter resistors again, yes we know that they exist. 

I'm not sure why you're asking me what Benchmark voltage regulation is.   Perhaps you should direct this question to John Siau.

What does the deep feedback have to do with it?

Feedback lowers output impedance.  You cannot make exact doubling of the power if DF=10.

If you can site an amplifier that exactly doubles bring it on. Show me.

There are many of them (I'm surprised you don't know that).  For instance Rowland model 535 is specified for 250W@8ohm and 500W@4ohm.  Krell Evolution 302e specifies 300W@8ohm 600W@4ohm and 1200W@2ohm (both channels driven).  Pass Labs XS150 states 150W@8ohm 300W@4ohm  etc.

You keep asking "what feedback has to do with it" while I'm trying to show you, that exact doubling of power cannot be achieved without deep feedback.  Exact doubling of the power is treated on this forum as a virtue, while I don't think it is necessary a good thing and might be even harmful when deep feedback is used to spike-up amplifier's  specifications while creating TIM distortions at the same time.

@kijanki  Ramtubes, I explained exactly what I agreed with by quoting your statement - read again.

Why are you bringing emitter resistors again, yes we know that they exist.  

I'm not sure why you're asking me what Benchmark voltage regulation is.  Perhaps you should direct this question to John Siau.

What does the deep feedback have to do with it?

Feedback lowers output impedance. You cannot make exact doubling of the power if DF=10.

If you can site an amplifier that exactly doubles bring it on. Show me.

There are many of them (I'm surprised you don't know that). For instance Rowland model 535 is specified for 250W@8ohm and 500W@4ohm.  Krell Evolution 302e specifies 300W@8ohm 600W@4ohm and 1200W@2ohm (both channels driven). Pass Labs XS150 states 150W@8ohm 300W@4ohm  etc.

You keep asking "what feedback has to do with it" while I'm trying to show you, that exact doubling of power cannot be achieved without deep feedback. Exact doubling of the power is treated on this forum as a virtue, while I don't think it is necessary a good thing and might be even harmful when deep feedback is used to spike-up amplifier's specifications while creating TIM distortions at the same time.

I know of all those amps and those specs. But those are marketing numbers. Can you tell me the actual measured clipping power at those various loads. 

I keep asking about the emitter resistors because when you drop the load impedance and more current is drawn the drop across those resistors (and any other resistances) doubles and it appears you dont want to take that into account. 

I have not been asking or referring to the Benchmark in this discussion. 

Exact doubling of the power is treated on this forum as a virtue

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I dont see why it is a virtue especially if it is just a spec and not what is really going on. Has Stereophile tested any of these amps. Please provide a link.