Btw I heard HP100 many yrs. ago. I remember it sounded beautiful non offensive and had a see through quality to it and did all the nice soundstage tricks but lacked that prat and tranisent bite!
PLEASE match Advice Pass Labs X350.5 (20k) to Hovland HP-100 (2500ohms) Miss-match ???
GUYS / GALS NEED YOUR HELP PLEASE!
A friend said this preamp is outstanding and will sound great with Pass Labs amps and to not get caught up in the specs but the measurements say different.
Pass Labs X350.5 amplifier with input Impedance 30k ohms Balanced or 20k ohms Single ended*
(*source Pass Labs Manual)
Hovland HP-100 source impedance 2500ohms*
(*source Stereophile)
Guys / Gals, can I used my Pass Labs X350.5 amp with Hovland HP-100 preamp? Has anyone used Pass amps with Hovland pre's. I will be using Magico S5 Speakers and Bricasti M1SE DAC but want it to sound the best it can. Should I just stick with the Aesthetix Calypso pre I was leaning toward before my gut said to go for the Hovland HP-100
Hovland HP-100 Preamplifier: * Output impedance: approximately 2500 ohms or according to Atkinson, Hovland HP-100 (2500ohms) its source impedance was high at 2.4k ohms, rising to 4.3k ohms at 20Hz. The partnering power amplifier would best have an input impedance of at least 47k ohms if the bass is not to sound lean*. The Pass Labs doesn't meet the x10 requirement it is supposed to but it is sort of close when looking at it. What do you guys think? I am not sure what to do but you guys will know what to do?
Stereophile: Its input impedance was a usefully high 100k ohms in the midrange and bass, with just a small reduction to a still-high 86k ohms at 20kHz. Despite the claim that the HP-100 uses a cathode follower output stage, its source impedance was high at 2.4k ohms, rising to 4.3k ohms at 20Hz. The partnering power amplifier would best have an input impedance of at least 47k ohms if the bass is not to sound lean.
Read more at https://www.stereophile.com/content/hovland-hp-100-preamplifier-measurements#YZXZfGLbbL2COkLR.99 https://www.stereophile.com/content/hovland-hp-100-preamplifier-measurements#YZXZfGLbbL2COkLR.99
A friend said this preamp is outstanding and will sound great with Pass Labs amps and to not get caught up in the specs but the measurements say different.
Pass Labs X350.5 amplifier with input Impedance 30k ohms Balanced or 20k ohms Single ended*
(*source Pass Labs Manual)
Hovland HP-100 source impedance 2500ohms*
(*source Stereophile)
Guys / Gals, can I used my Pass Labs X350.5 amp with Hovland HP-100 preamp? Has anyone used Pass amps with Hovland pre's. I will be using Magico S5 Speakers and Bricasti M1SE DAC but want it to sound the best it can. Should I just stick with the Aesthetix Calypso pre I was leaning toward before my gut said to go for the Hovland HP-100
Hovland HP-100 Preamplifier: * Output impedance: approximately 2500 ohms or according to Atkinson, Hovland HP-100 (2500ohms) its source impedance was high at 2.4k ohms, rising to 4.3k ohms at 20Hz. The partnering power amplifier would best have an input impedance of at least 47k ohms if the bass is not to sound lean*. The Pass Labs doesn't meet the x10 requirement it is supposed to but it is sort of close when looking at it. What do you guys think? I am not sure what to do but you guys will know what to do?
Stereophile: Its input impedance was a usefully high 100k ohms in the midrange and bass, with just a small reduction to a still-high 86k ohms at 20kHz. Despite the claim that the HP-100 uses a cathode follower output stage, its source impedance was high at 2.4k ohms, rising to 4.3k ohms at 20Hz. The partnering power amplifier would best have an input impedance of at least 47k ohms if the bass is not to sound lean.
Read more at https://www.stereophile.com/content/hovland-hp-100-preamplifier-measurements#YZXZfGLbbL2COkLR.99 https://www.stereophile.com/content/hovland-hp-100-preamplifier-measurements#YZXZfGLbbL2COkLR.99
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This post is PLEASE match Advice Pass Labs X350.5 (20k) to Hovland HP-100 (2500ohms) Miss-match ???
The 10 to 1 match is not covered here but it is close enough to be able to try (maybe) if the 2500ohm doesn't rise real high at other frequencies or better yet goes lower. The problem is that it does rise and a lot so in this case the Pass Labs X350.5 (20k) and the Hovland HP-100 (2500ohms) is not only a mismatch but a poor match choice. The Stereophile measurements below show the Hovland HP-100 (2500ohms) rising to all the way to 4.3k ohms (43,000ohm) at 20Hz. They recommend at amp with an input impedance of 47k. The Pass X350.5 has an input Impedance of only 20k. If this preamp( Hovland HP-100) is used with (Pass Labs X350.5, 20k input impedance) you will lose bass according to the Stereophile's measurements (quote and link is below) You will see this play out many times with tube preamps and SS amps for no other reason than tube preamps typically have higher output impedance and SS amps have lower input impedance. The reason many of these tube preamps have cathode followers is because if they didn't their output impedance would be so high they could match with very few ss or even tube amps. Some people look at a cathode follower as a band aid for a poor design with way too high of an output impedance. Sort of like how some SS designers use negative feedback to lower distortion. Sure it lowers distortion but at what price? That said there are some amazing sounding amps that use negative feedback just like there are some amazing sounding preamps that use cathode followers. I subscribe to either school. For me it comes down to how it sounds and does it match well? If it matches well and sounds great then I am happy! Just get to the 10 to 1 across the board and you are good. Quote froom Steroephile " Its input impedance was a usefully high 100k ohms in the midrange and bass, with just a small reduction to a still-high 86k ohms at 20kHz. Despite the claim that the HP-100 uses a cathode follower output stage, its source impedance was high at 2.4k ohms, rising to 4.3k ohms at 20Hz. The partnering power amplifier would best have an input impedance of at least 47k ohms if the bass is not to sound lea". Read more at https://www.stereophile.com/content/hovland-hp-100-preamplifier-measurements#Kw6gd5Q68B4s6o33.99 |
@Analogluvr, while there are of course ways of designing a tube-based line-level output stage to provide low impedance without using coupling capacitors (for example transformer coupling, or Atma-Sphere’s patented differential output circuit which uses a servo-based method of nulling out DC offsets), I’m not sure how or if a simple conventionally designed single-ended cathode follower circuit might be designed to be direct coupled. That might be a good question for Roger or Ralph in Roger’s "ask an amplifier designer" thread. By definition a cathode follower has a resistor (or resistors) connected between the cathode and (at least usually) the ground of the circuit. The bias current flowing through the tube and consequently through that resistor will cause a significant DC voltage to be present at the cathode, which must be prevented from being sent into the power amp or other connected device. A capacitor is of course a simple and likely the least expensive way of doing that. The DC voltage that is developed at the cathode, btw, will be positive and typically serves the purpose of biasing the tube. In effect it makes the grid negative with respect to the cathode, and thereby biases the tube at a desirable operating point. There are other means of developing bias, of course, by directly applying a negative voltage to the grid, but that kind of approach is less commonly employed as it adds complexity, has tradeoffs of its own, and a cathode resistor would still be required anyway if the circuit is to function as a cathode follower. Best regards, -- Al |
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