Thiel Owners


Guys-

I just scored a sweet pair of CS 2.4SE loudspeakers. Anyone else currently or previously owned this model?
Owners of the CS 2.4 or CS 2.7 are free to chime in as well. Thiel are excellent w/ both tubed or solid-state gear!

Keep me posted & Happy Listening!
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Holco - nice work and thank you. Please remind me of your serial numbers for my reconstruction records. FYI: part of the reason for the "eager appreciation" is that the other parameters are all designed for maximum performance. The driver motor distortions are less than 1/10th of anything else I have seen. And the dual cone driver has extremely low breakup and the cabinet has very low resonsnces, and so forth. In addition, I believe that phase coherence allows the aural brain to accept the signal as real rather than reproduced and as such the essence of the music is accessible to the entire sensing / feeling person. You have removed a veil and you can experience the improvements holistically.

As a historical note, Thiel budgeted $1/3 for cabinet, $1/3 drivers, and $1/3 crossover. That formula gives more budget to the crossover than most companies commit, but our requirements are high. A large portion of that high cost is in high-purity copper and the styrene x tin foil 1uF bypass caps. And the other parts were also carefully chosen within their budget constraints.  A company must second-guess its way to its target market, and this particular cost-performance plateau is where we struck our claim. Also, the ultra audio grade parts we have today were not available ten or twenty years ago.

Here's a Sunday Morning Flight of Fantasy from the memory bank. About 1990 with the CS2.2 and a hefty hand-full of new products in the pipeline, I speculated about an opportunity to reach a different market. The company didn't want to go that way, mainly because of the confusion it might create. But here's a sketch.

Create a new marketing entity. My name was 'Perigee - the closest approach'. Products would be developed based on the foundation-chassis of emerging Thiel products. The CS6 and 3.6 were in development. Products would reach elevated levels of aesthetics and performance. Performance would be via ideas like we are now exploring: better parts, internal or external cooling, bi and/or tri-wire with customer assistance to get it right. The cabinets would incorporate some eased or rounded edges or panels, use of exotic materials, super-selected veneers with sophisticated scraped and French-polished surfaces. Each finished pair would be optimized in the anechoic chamber rather than simply verifying its performance within tolerances as in production Thiels.

A corollary might be super performance professional monitors in service-clad rather than furniture grade cabinets. We had some high-end production and mastering labs using our speakers by that time.

Markets would be upscale. Prices might be double or triple those of stock. Although I call the idea fantasy. Its presentation and discussion were real - but its feasibility was very weak. Thiel was already straining under its relentless 30%/ year growth pressure. Taking on more was  unthinkable. 

Just for grins, I googled 'Perigee Audio' and it seems that an Australian has undertaken a similar idea with another historic line of speakers. However, I suspect such an idea might work for some enterprising young company. Who knows if Coherent Source Service might stretch into such a role . . . Isn't life interesting.

 
tomthiel,

Thank you also for your contribution over here, much appreciated!!

Sorry no readable serials on my loudspeakers.

The driver motor distortions are less than 1/10th of anything else I have seen. And the dual cone driver has extremely low breakup 

This is the main reason I came back to Thiel. Off the top of my head, the only drivers that  I consider clearly better than Thiel are the Vandy carbons and TAD beryllium coax, maybe some of the diamond tweeters. But those designs are well out of my budget. Jim T should be lauded for his efforts in making this level of performance available to working people. And, now, with better passive parts the performance level of those drivers gets really close to the $$$ designs.
Finished the second loudspeaker and there seems nothing wrong, except my jaw is laying on the floor, what a great great great sound!!!

This still without the Jantzen wax coils.
I'm loving the enthusiasm I'm hearing from you both.
Beetle - indeed there are great expensive drivers and some including Vandy who took Jim's lead in using copper motor shunts. Jim invented the solution on first principles and only when applying for patents did he learn that the solutions were lying fallow in the public domain for a long time. Faraday Rings.
Holco - your coil wire is ERSE or Jantzen 4-9s round and bonded, so your foil coils will be different in geometry and bonding only. Your comparison of the round vs foil is of great interest to me.