The Science of Cables


It seems to me that there is too little scientific, objective evidence for why cables sound the way they do. When I see discussions on cables, physical attributes are discussed; things like shielding, gauge, material, geometry, etc. and rarely are things like resistance, impedance, inductance, capacitance, etc. Why is this? Why aren’t cables discussed in terms of physical measurements very often?

Seems to me like that would increase the customer base. I know several “objectivist” that won’t accept any of your claims unless you have measurements and blind tests. If there were measurements that correlated to what you hear, I think more people would be interested in cables. 

I know cables are often system dependent but there are still many generalizations that can be made.
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And just another thought.

In many ways our wee hobby is a "its just not good enough" thang. We have over the years been told, either individually, or as a group that our hobby and/or our particular way of undertaking it is foolish , silly, stupid, idiotic, don’t know the science, can’t understand the engineering etc etc but we have persevered and despite all the negative vibes we have, often inch by inch, moved the pile forward. In fact it could be that we have become so inured to this that it may well be now part of our culture’s DNA, or at least the minimum requirement for inclusion.

So where was I going with this ?....oh yeah.

OK, was once having lunch with one of the top noise/vibration control guys in North America who worked for the the largest noise/vibration control company in the world ( at the time ). He was still basking in the afterglow of just having received an Technical Achievement Oscar for an rather innovative use of one of their products ( it made film cameras much quieter and allowed for better recording ). So during the lunch I brought up the possibility of using said technique to modify stereo components. Well the rest of the lunch was dedicated to proving beyond a shadow of a doubt how that idea made absolutely no scientific sense. Formulas were throw out, scientific fact was cited etc etc. For some reason I didn’t back off and continued to pursue that avenue and eventually moved the pile forward enough that the gentlemen saw/heard my point of view and apologized for his earlier lambasting and then we laughed and had another beer. Read, stereo component noise/vibration control is now an accepted part of our hobby, despite all that day’s respectable evidence to the contrary.

So here we are again, different song but the tune is very very familiar.

And btw that product that won the Oscar, in base function it is not much unlike our very own GeoffKait’s Brilliant Pebbles concept....but that is another story for another time in a thread far far away.

And here is the mornings entertainment.....and prof et al is the guy on the throne....and Mr Columbus is the everyman stereo dude...hope you like it, I do and it pops into my head every-time I come across a "cable" food fight, errr, discussion or something similar.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgqW_hgpuEI

“Without promotion something terrible happens. Nothing!” - PT Barnum
@prof 
I would personally differentiate those cable companies from "High End" cable companies
"High End" means engineered for a purpose, not some charlatan's pipe concoction for visual/cosmic appeal. Nordost speaker cables are in the YFJ [You're Freaking Joking] category. First time I saw them I thought, "How bad would my system have to be for these to make it 'better'?" First time I heard them, I was nonplussed. The $100k system was 'nice' but did not engage me playing Miles, Queen or SFO. Yawn...

@taras22 
 Funny you mention that capacitance thingee
Keep digging. C is but one parameter. As in most things, there is no free lunch. Electronic design is about optimizing. The Schroeder method Increases C but decreases L & R. In some systems this could be an improvement, not so much in others. Then there are the 'Y' parameters and the routing/interweaving of multiple connectors. It all depends on the SUT [System Under Test].

Maybe I'll start the 'IEales Method' wherein I use 200' interconnects in counter wound ellipses around my listening position to better envelope me in the aura. Shheeeesh!

ieales
"High End" means engineered for a purpose, not some charlatan’s pipe concoction for visual/cosmic appeal. Nordost speaker cables are in the YFJ [You’re Freaking Joking] category. First time I saw them I thought ...
So you judged them unheard based on " visual/cosmic appeal?" That doesn’t sound like a high-end approach to me.
First time I heard them, I was nonplussed.
Confirmation bias, perhaps?
@cleeds
Confirmation bias? Not bleeding likely. Please don’t read into what I didn’t write. I did not say I compared them.

I hadn’t been into a Hi Fi store in about 15 years. Treated room. Magico S7s, McIntosh monoblocks, McIntosh pre, interconnects unknown. Nordost something speaker leads. Played "So What?" from LP "Kind of Blue". "We are the Champions" and some SFO suggested by salesperson, streamed.

2nd time, another store, Focal Sopra 1 & 2. Moon something electronics. My 3 tracks, all streamed.

Both times, yawn. NOT what I expected.

I recorded for a living. The sound in a good control room is as close to live as one will ever hear. I still get goosebumps after more than 30 years thinking about some sessions. Today I’m retired, but volunteer as production chair and put on 7 live shows a year. I took over sound check last year. Thus far, nothing but compliments on how much better the sound is this year. I strive for the live sound in the seats. When I hear a HiFi, that’s what I want, Row G, Center 21 & 22. I wanna be grabbed and made to pay attention. When cats hear my system, they say things like "Man, I can hear everything. It’s so precise. And I don’t hear anything. It’s just all there!"