Stage III Concepts Cables - Any Advice/Feedback/Thoughts is deeply appreciated.


I have a mixed loom of Stage III Concepts Cables on loan to me from a local dealer and need some help.  
There is hardly any user/owner/member/end used type of info out there so I wanted to reach out. 

Here is what I am demoing now and below is the why...

Stage III Concepts GRYPHON XLR 1.5m Interconnects   
Stage III Concepts MAGNUS 3.0m Speaker Cables
Stage III Concepts MINOTAUR 2.0m Power Cable
Stage III Concepts KRAKEN 1.5m Power Cable

Here is the why:

I received my new Magico S5 MK II Speakers 2 weeks ago upgraded from the original S5's.  
I wanted to upgrade my pre and amp but was waiting to hear my new S5 MK II's with my present gear first. 

Magico S5 MK II Speakers
Pass Labs X250.8 amp
Simaudio Moon Evolution P-8 pre
Bricasti M1SE w/built in ethernet media player
SGC sonicTransporter ethernet Roon server w/Uptone Audio JS-2 LPS
Kubala-Sosna Emotion Full Loom 

I loved my new speakers and so sold both my Pass X250.8 amp and my Simaudio P8 pre.
I bought Pass Labs XA-160.8 Monoblocks and was driving them direct with my Bricasti M1SE as pre/dac.

I was happy and while looking for a pre I stumbled into a local guy that had a Soulution 530 Integrated.
I thought you know what lets try it and if I like it then I will sell or trade my Pass mono's for a pre or use 530's preouts.

To make a long story longer I put it in my system and low and behold I like the Pass amps better. Maybe not a huge surprise as Pass gear is killer but then I phoned the local Soulution dealer to pick he brain. 

He told me the Pass amps should not sound better with S5 MK II's and it was due to the match of my Kubala-Sosna cables which work great with Pass, ARC, Ayre, Krell, etc. but Soulution is a different animal and needs a different cable. .
I thought OK here we go... Here comes the big old cable sales pitch but to be fair I called him. So I listened.

He loaned me the cables I have listed above to prove what he was saying was true.

You know what happened. Low and behold he was 100% right and they blew my mind. No snake oil but real results.  

They sound insane and actually really good with my Pass amps too but the match with Soulution is breath taking...

Now I see why the Soulution amps are darn expensive. They should recommended cables like Spectral and MIT does.  

So with so little info out there I wanted to ask for you guys for any and feedback, or opinions.

It is really expensive stuff and sure there is some savings because some is former gen cables and they are demo's but still its really expensive stuff so I just was hoping I could get some more info from you folks.

Sorry for long write up but wanted to share my thoughts and my situation and ask for some help on these.

Thanks 
       





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The Esoteric F07 or Grandioso F1 would sound better than Solution 530 at much less cost.With these units or Esoteric So3 power amp with there preamp.Then you could have kept your cables and not gotten Stage 3 which are great but overpriced.Gook luck though!!
I guarantee you that if you swapped out STC’s with even Anticables, you wouldn’t know which cables were being used.  At some point these things become a religion.
ebms 

The F1 is a decent amp I guess at its price point. I've heard it driving a pair and Wilson Yvette Speakers and it was ok I guess. I mean I don't know I thought maybe the speakers are were not that great but then again I heard those same speakers in the same system with a 5 year old $2500 Naim amp and it sounded great so it wasn't the speakers or the system. The Naim was way better.

Sorry man, there are plenty of amps out there to throw up there against the 530 but that F1 is not one of them. I'd take that used Naim any day over it and that thing used prob goes for maybe $1500 but in fairness to that F1 amp what is it?

Parts and labor are what? Maybe $2000 or maybe $2500?

The caps alone in a 530 cost more than that and trust me it's not all about money for great sound but to say money in high end audio doesn't matter is being a bit disingenuous at best.  To say the F1 will sound better is just silly. 

Now like I stated I bought my Soulution used. Sure it is a current model amp that goes for $55,000 but I certainly didn't pay that for it. 

I can tell you right now that this 530 amp in a very fair fight legit and fairly as can be handily beat out a mint pair of $27,300 Pass Labs XA-160.8 Monoblocks no problem. Once the Stage III Kraken power cable was plugged into the Soulution it was a no contest, clear as day much better amp and I loved my Pass Labs amps. I love Pass labs and have owned over a half dozen of their amps. I am a huge fan of Nelson and am a sucker for his pure Class A sound but in a very fair fight the 530 trounced it.  


dave_b

I actually owned anti-cables and was a believer of them and really liked them. Had them for a while along with others (Cardas, Nordost, HiDiamond, Audience) all around the same time feeling my through the cable wabbit hole. 

Then I bought a pair of interconnects from a small company call Darwin. Really good prices and really really good sounding interconnects.
The pair I bought was called the Darwin TRUTH. Tony Bender is one of the owners and is a really nice guy. They are under a $900 for 1M. They were these little clear plastic tubes that has a single, pure, solid silver, cryo treated little cable in there.

OMG, did I love those cables. They made those anticables sound like I was using fishing string. I thought those anti-cables were solid until they got their brain bashed in by these Darwin. Destroyed them, it was amazing to me at the time. I remember it clear as day. 

Anyone could hear that difference. It was gigantic. Those Darwins were awesome and I had them for a few years as my main IC's and still own a pair and try them every now and again and they always hold their own. The Kubala-Sosna are quite a bit more refined with better bass and over all a better cables but those Darwin were raw with bit. Some could call them a bit brite but I loved them, They pealed the layers off like only silver will do or so I thought at the time anyways. They give your system a shot in the arm, some jump and life. I loved them. The problem with them is the clear plastic kinks and once it kinks that part is soft and will always kink in that same area so not the most rugged cables but they destroyed the anti-cables.

I have really good Kubula-Sosna Emotion that I have been going back and forth with the Stage III and there is a pretty big difference. 

I get your point, people can go overboard with cables and I get it and agree with you in that to a point as it is what I am doing right now. It is a slippery slope but now a days these cables matter and can change a system just like that. I get it there are still plenty of people that don't believe in them. 

I respect that and appreciate everyone's take but they matter to me and seems to be to some others as well. 






Thats great dude its your money.Im now using M3s maybe i should jump on Soulution.However I’m very happy with Audia flight #4 amp and #1 preamp with Purist Dominus cables for now.I did like the Soulution mono amps at $155.000.The top Esoteric amp and preamp is certainly as good as Soulution and made as well.I m sorry i did not really mean F1.
ggc
I second, Ayre Twenty Series of electronics. Extremely musical, are the best descriptors here.  Happy Listening!