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Marantz 8802a > looking for better two channel

Curious on people’s opinions and experience. I started out more into home theater but recently have been getting more into two channel. I’m running the marantz biamped into lexicon RX-7 into revel studio 2s with a pair of JL Audio fathom f212v2s.   There are basically no places to demo equipment where I live but I’m curious what level of two channel preamp it would take to be a significant improvement over what the marantz is doing. I’m running an oppo 105 with balanced connections as the main source.  While this may still be awhile out I’ve considered McIntosh mx150, lyngdorf Tdai-3400, or shoot for the moon one of the Current levinson preamps.  Also wondering if switching to any of those would then require a new amp to fully take advantage.  I plan to keep the home theater setup and do a pass through while keeping the subs in for two channel.  I like a pretty varied mix of music so not looking something thats great with classical but terrible for rock for example.  
esthlos13
auxinput
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The Marantz AV880x processor line are very nice pieces.  They have excellent power supplies and audio circuit design.  The sound is very solid and very full and very natural.  However, being Marantz, they are voiced very warm, which means the high frequencies are definitely rolled off compared to other preamp/processors.
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The Lyngdorf is not going to be warm at all.  It is a very high resolution device.  However, when compared to Marantz, I think it might sound just a little bit thin and not quite as natural. 

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I haven't directly heard the McIntosh, but I suspect it may be somewhat in the middle.  More natural sounding than Lyngdorf, and more high frequency resolution than the Marantz.
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You may want to look at Krell Foundation.  That is also a very clean sounding modern processor.  My suggestions are all based on the assumption that you are looking to keep a HT processor in the mix and not go to a 2-channel only system.
mzkmxcv
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@auxinput 
 
However, being Marantz, they are voiced very warm,
 
Good thing EQ exists. However:
•https://www.stereophile.com/content/marantz-pm5003-integrated-amplifier-measurements
•https://www.audioholics.com/av-receiver-reviews/marantz-sr8012-receiver/marantz-sr8012-bench-tests 
 
Unless you consider changes within 1/2 a decibel to be easily audible, Marantz are dead neutral.
auxinput
2,920 posts
 
yeah, measurements really don't tell the entire story.  You can have measurements on a scope showing flat response to 20khz, but it won't really tell you if the amp is warm of soft or fast or bright.  I've dealt with warm amps before.  You can work around them with stuff like sliver fuses, etc., but it is a compromise at best.
mzkmxcv
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@auxinput

What?!! I am showing unrefutable evidence that it is neutral, it’s not sane to claim otherwise.

‘Warm’ means boosted bass or rolled-off treble, it is 95% related to frequency response and 5% related to distortion.
auxinput
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I have personally had the Marantz AV8804 in my system and compared it to Krell S1200.  The Marantz is definitely warm with rolled off highs.
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