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referencing vs plug & play

This last couple of months more of you have been getting ahold of me, it's cool don't stop. I enjoy working on your systems and especially enjoy some listening together. Something though is coming up often and it's making me wonder if somewhere along the way someone has dropped the ball when it comes to comparing components. In talking with a few of you I've learned that a lot of you are dropping components into your systems and comparing without dialing your system into the new set of conditions. Back in the early days of referencing, before plug & play, when we made changes to a system we treated the system as if everything was starting from scratch. We knew that if making a component swap took place that we were going to need to make the rest of the audio chain suitable to accommodate the new signal path. "make a change anywhere in the flow and you've made a new flow"

When the plug & play audio clubs started popping up my friends looked at me as if these folks were off their rockers. I just figured they were doing something interesting but weren't really serious about club night, more than a chance to mingle. It's kind of the same thought as a trade show. You don't really take them serious, but it gives a chance to meet and greet. Saying this, I'm starting to think possibly I was wrong and plug & play has become the norm over actually referencing systems. My mind tells me this is nuts, right, but I'm hearing more and more that HEA folks are actually simply dropping components in mid chain and that's it. So I have to ask.

You do realize plug & play is different from referencing a system change don't you?

please be respectful to each other, thanks

Michael Green

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glupson
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geoffkait,


Not to go to deep into explaining it to you, but material an item is made of does influence its properties regarding vibration. I could not quantify it, but I would guess it is more influential than loosening the screw (unless you go to inconvenient extremes elizabeth referenced above).


Don't you wish you could come up with more than one variable to take care of? You do it so well but it’s such a narrow range.


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geoffkait
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What’s this, glubson - your new Beavis and Butthead routine?

Not to make a big rumpus out of it, but has your auto spell checker crashed? Remember, it’s not too late to go back to school. You’re cute when you get mad. On the positive side it’s heart warming to see Lizzie found a soul mate. 
glupson
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geoffkait,

I do not employ a spell checker. Not even a spelling-checker.

I do not know what Beavis and Butthead routine is. I will check it, but first have to get to checking that Tar Baby.

As far as school goes, you are right, it’s not too late to go back to school so feel free to attend. You can even ask questions and I will guide you to answers.

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michaelgreenaudio OP
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Hi Tj

I spent all day spinning & voicing Type4 "white". That is after I got back from the curing house. Spring has sprung and so people have been coming out to greet the nice weather. My first year here at Tam was interesting. After the first person got a system from me you could see the folks peeking in to see what was happening. No real talk about tuning, more that audio guy down in #205. After the second system a little more interest. The next and then next, the folks around here all talk music now. Not just talk music but you see them visiting each other. I’m told by the landlord this sense of community started when I moved in. Before then they kept to themselves.

When I can I like doing wire voicing myself, or any voicing. From one end of the outside walkway to the other is about 70’-80’. Now it is a common sight to see me out there early in the morning running the wire. By the end of the day you will see me doing the final de-stressing of the cable for that day. The destressing part I will do as many days as it takes. There’s a lot more to it but I bring this up because we were talking about the screws. Anything that spins it’s not a matter of tightening and loosening, but more developing a pattern of flow and making that flow adjustable, like opening and closing a gate for the vibratory interactions.

back to today

So here I am in the beginning of the day running wire. The last suite at the end of the walkway you have two guys (now tunees) talking off and on all day. They weren’t paying much attention I’m sure in the beginning but I would walk from one end of the walkway to the other and back, voicing the wire as I went. After the spin when you let go of the cable the stress would make the cable fly all over the place. The cable looks very unruly (wiggly). At that time cable companies usually make a master roll, which forces the wire into cable form, I don’t. What I use is a technique that allows the wires to relax on their own.

 I'm not going to get into the process obviously, but the whole thing last about 6 months start to finish, with different things done to the wire to prep it (natural cure baking is one of them). So here I am making trips up and down the walk way and about my next to last trip one of the guys says to me "that can't be the same cable". Yep it's the same run I started with. It took him a while to believe that this unruly wire was now this perfectly relaxed cable that ran the whole length now totally in a straight line and relaxed, with no slight wiggles at all.

mg

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