Do audiophiles hate large subwoofers?


I'm noticing a lot of folks into high end audio prefer smaller subwoofers (If they add one at all). What are the reasons for not going after a 15", 18" or something even larger?

Seems like the quickness issue comes up a lot, but when you think about it on a larger subwoofer the excursion is not as severe so it would be more in control. Couple that with servo technology and it can be plenty quick and tight, no?
bstatmeister
Speed doesn’t matter. Integration is a misleading misnomer. There’s more out of date thinking on low bass than anything in audio. And that’s saying something!

Speed doesn’t matter. If speed mattered then my Talon Roc would be the King of subs. Why? Its isobaric design guarantees the driver moving the air sees no pressure variance behind it. It is indeed a very fast sub. Which does not matter. Why? Because with low bass unlike higher frequencies we don’t hear the sound coming off the driver. We hear only the waves that have been bouncing around the room many times already. Low bass waves are so long they create many modes and cancellation areas. In the modal areas the bass is so strong it takes a long time for this energy to dissipate. We hear this long slow dissipation as slow bass. So the answer to fast bass is smaller modes. The way to get smaller modes? More subs! So its not the speed or power of the subs that makes for fast bass. Its the number. The more subs the better.

The whole concept of integration is misleading. Integration creates a false impression. Integration makes people think the subs need to be similar to the mains, or aligned somehow, or that timing matters. No. Wrong on all counts. Sure levels need to be matched. Yes its nice being able to adjust phase. But nothing remotely like the way the mains require precise placement. Low bass is a whole different animal.

Big subs are great. When it comes to the lowest frequencies, you probably cannot have too big. But you sure can have too few. Until you get to four, that overshadows everything.
"Low bass is a whole different animal."

Yes! I'll grant you that. It's only where I (or others) try to integrate at a bit higher than typical frequencies (like 170 Hz and at 1rst order) does it seem to complicate things. In my own setup, if I deliberately mis-adjust the delay, for example, I can Easily hear it at the lp.
Ivan, while the controls on the Rythmik Audio plate amps (Danny sells the Rythmik A370 amp for use with his paper-cone version of the Rythmik 12" aluminum-cone woofer, but the amp was designed and is built by Brian Ding of Rythmik) indicate that low pass filtering is possible up to "only" 120Hz, the amp is also available in a special version which has been modified by Ding for use in the OB/Dipole sub; that is the version of the amp which provides output up to 300Hz. Kind of confusing!
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Actually, I should say that integration issues (one by one) become increasingly less problematic the lower in frequency the crossover point goes (generally) and that integrations problems will not usually altogether ’disappear’ until that point is rather low. But, "low bass" is not "all" the bass. There can still be a lot of bass performance left on the table, unless your mains are so good that they lack for nothing in the bass save for very low-end augmentation only.