Merlin vsm mme owners, Cardas cabling Question.

stingreen, sounds like the cardas cables were either not broken in or a bad combination with your speakers, which are? i have a feeling i know what is going on. in fact i would bet you on the outcome.
bhoage, i like the stealth cables too. finely stranded silver works very well. much better than bigger strands or solid core on merlins. i personally like copper litz a little more. personal preference is what this is all about in the end.
marty, i have said what "i like personally" on the speakers and why. i like cable that can play a lot of music well and not ones that play a few pieces incredibly at the expense of the rest. i never said that cardas or audience was the only cable to use. this is someone's interpretation of these recommendations.
lots of great and fair comments here.
except for the one who got involved for no reason other than to disrupt or to make himself feel superior.
in closing, there is not one product that we can all agree on being the best. too many variables in systems, personal taste, room acounstics etc. it is always best to experiment to come up with your own perceptions.
i actually have a great many personal favorites in the way of ancillaries to use with my speakers.
best, b

i actually have a great many personal favorites in the way of ancillaries to use with my speakers.
best, b>>>

Bobby, the above statement is a good one. But then, as many Merlin owners (and future owners) would like to know...what other cables do you like with your speakers? What other associated gear to you feel mates well?
I wonder if it would be sane and sound for a designer to list his or her favorites and post such a list, even if it's far from complete?

On a related note, I've never heard a "bad" speaker cable. I've only heard better ones, which is to say that my Magnepans sounded fantastic with Monster Cable and then even better with Audioquest wire, MIT and Anti. None of it sounded bad, truncated, smeared, bloated or anything dramatic in spite of warnings that my Maggies could only sing with a few types of wire, amps and CD players.

Still, you're the man behind a highly regarded speaker and what YOU like is going to carry weight as most buyers don't know 1/10th of what you do about audio. And some will even be annoyed at the none-too-subtle assertions by some owners that they are doing their gear a grand disservice by not using/liking what they do.

The audiophile life is hell!

Cheers,

Rob

Bobby,

Don't misunderstand. I only said that you have your preferences (to be expected) and I have mine and sometimes they are the same and other times they are not. No foul there.

I was further pointing out that your recommendations become "gospel" to some folks and spread the idea that the speakers only work properly with the ancillaries you mention. I KNOW that you've seen that type of thing posted in these forums, because we've both contributed to at least one thread where that (silly IMO) point of view was mentioned more than once. I was only trying to dispel the idea. The VSM works well with many, many partners - whether amps, cables (I use mostly Hovland), or sources.

Marty

For the record, I had all Cardas cables (Golden Cross and Neutral Reference) -- this was mandated at the time by Bobby and my dealer. The associated equipment consisted of a Levinson 37 transport, Levinson 360S processor, Audio Research LS25 and ARC VT100 (original and MKII versions) -- hardly mid-fi.

Bobby said the amp and preamp were the reasons my VSM SEs sounded mediocre and incoherent. He said they were definitely not the preamp and amp he would recommend for his speakers. That's kind of funny seeing that those particular ARC products have always been fairly highly regarded in the Audiogon community and beyond and are both pretty neutral.

So all I'm really pointing out is that if you decide to go with Merlin you launch yourself on a path that can easily result in replacing everything. If that's what makes you happy, by all means do it. But you might want to do yourself a favor and listen to a pair of, say, Totems -- at a fraction of the price. Or, better yet, find a pair of Dunlavy SC-II's and something like a REL Stadium III.

In the end, though, a lot of people have to spend a lot of money before they can accept that they didn't really have to spend all that much to get great sound.

Meanwhile, I, too, would like to hear what else Bobby recommends -- and how many times he recommends those choices vs. Joule and Cardas.

marty, i agree with all you have said, there is no problem between us.
what i find equally as foolish is when someone hears cardas on merlin speakers, does not like the sound for one reason or another and says "that is bobby's fav and i do not like the sound so both the speaker and wire are not to my liking." then they do not give either a chance with other gear, how foolish is that? that is the other side of the coin and happens often.
once again, nothing suits everyone's needs/preferences and we should be big enough to understand this. owning audio gear is not a contact sport and what we own is not the best because we own it.
best, b