Help me understand how to optimize bass on the Zu Definition Mk IV


I am a longtime owner of Zu Definition Mk1.5 speakers and recently also bought a pair of Definition Mk4's. I based this decision partly on the reviews / feedback posted here on Audiogon in various threads by members such as 213cobra, gsm18439, spiritofmusic and others. I'm really hoping some of you Mk4 owners can chime in and help me out here!

Basically, my issue is that I found the Mk1.5's put out incredibly deep and impactful bass, especially with some of the music I love, like R&B and reggae. And this was with the bass amplitude knob at 12 or 1 o'clock. However, after setting up my new Mk4's, I find the bass underwhelming and anemic, even after fiddling around with various settings and with the volume and PEQ cranked. I have them on spikes into bases on a hardwood floor, with about a 1.5" gap on the bottom. What am I missing here?? Based on the reviews I read, I was expected the bass to equal or exceed the lowly 1.5's. 

Thanks so much in advance for any helpful advice! 


temicxoch
By any chance is your amplifier either bridged or "fully balanced"?

From one of the writeups provided for the Def IV at the Zu site:

Definition Mk.IV is designed around conventional or parallel mode amps, bridged amplifiers are not recommended (black speaker negative leg of bridged amps will see the virtual ground node of the internal bass amp).

The same caution would presumably apply to fully balanced amps as well as to bridged amps.

Regards,

-- Al
Thanks for the great responses so far, very helpful!

Yes, these new MkIV's are in the same room and location as the previous speakers. Unfortunately, I am very limited where they can be placed, but the location worked very well before. They are only about 6" from the back wall and 2 feet from the side walls. Perhaps I was used to the walls reinforcing the bass so strongly with the 4 rear firing 10" woofers on the Mk1.5. Yes, the bass on the MkIV is tight and tuneful, but just pretty underwhelming so far in comparison (the down firing woofers are definitely functional). Hopefully I can get it dialed in, because it has left me with some buyer's regret, hoping for an upgrade, but feeling let down about the bottom end. For context, I am also a bass guitarist, so I do love some very deep low frequencies! 

Spiritofmusic, thank you for your very detailed post, appreciated! I will try some of those settings. I wish I could pull them out from the wall as you suggest, but it's just not practical at all for my space. Coincidentally, I also have a 150 yr old suspended wood floor, so I could play around with footers. I just put on the Black Diamond Racing cones that were on my last set of speakers. Have you found that the gap spacing to the floor is critical? In the manual, it suggests even 1/4" is sufficient, but at least one forum post I read said that bass didn't really begin to bloom until the speakers were 3" off the floor. 

As for my amplifiers, I don't think they are "bridged," but not 100% sure. They are Cary 300SE monoblocks, with a Cary SLP98 preamp in front, all run with unbalanced RCAs. One odd thing about the preamp is that it inverts phase, so you have to switch around the speakers cables, but I believe I have that sorted properly. 

Other thoughts are welcome!
David
For context, I am also a bass guitarist, so I do love some very deep low frequencies!


So when you get these the best you can then if you want a whole lot better get four cheap subs, place them near the walls spread asymmetrically around the room, and be amazed how deep and low and tuneful and focused the bass is with a distributed bass array.
@temicxoch As a SET amp the 300SE is neither balanced nor bridged, so you're fine in that respect.

Good luck.  Regards,

-- Al
 
Temixoch, good luck. There's no doubt that 4x 10" woofers firing 6" into a wall would produce a very pressurised bass, whereas 1x 12" firing down into the floor is a whole different concept.

My Revopods raise the Def4s 1.5" off the floor (I also situate the Zus on Panzerholz pieces).

FWIW, Jaco and Geddy sound pretty good here.