For $70 🇺🇸 the v2 is a comparative audio bargain!
2 sets used so far.
2 sets used so far.
Ingress Audio Engineering
I recently discovered the benefits of isolation. Don't know how many of you are familiar with
Barry Diament's
recommendations for his hip joints. The recommendation for the economical DIY set up worked well for my stereo; (lightly inflated bike innertubes, wooden egg holders supporting stainless steel balls).
http://www.barrydiamentaudio.com/vibration.htm
A month ago I bought Isoacoustic Oreo's. 3 per component (weight appropriate) and was very impressed...at first. After several days of settling my music sounded dull and lifeless. I reread the optimal weight recommendations, re-calibrated weight limits with temporary improvements. To my disappointment I realized the Oreo's could only be compressed (especially after the suction seal was formed between them and the component or platform the component sat on). Sure they rocked in all directions, but they didn't glide in all directions. Only horizontal isolation was taking place so I coupled the Oreo's with Barry's economic hip joints which has greatly improved the SQ. I'm loving it but I still feel there's room for improvement. Mainly because I own the Hfiman HE-6SE HP's and I run them through my power amp's speaker taps. So I want Barry's upgraded hip joints under my amp. I'm interested in Ingress Audio's vibration isolation rollerblocks.
http://www.ingress-engineering.ca/products-and-services.php
I've looked up info about their level 2's and 3's but specifics on their differences aren't given. I know Barry says the blocks should be machined smooth to a certain degree. I left a message with Ingress, but I'm impatient and wondering if perhaps the level 2's aren't as smooth as the 3's. The smoother, the greater the improvements. My question is does anyone know the differences between their Level 2 and Level 3 rollerblocks?
http://www.barrydiamentaudio.com/vibration.htm
A month ago I bought Isoacoustic Oreo's. 3 per component (weight appropriate) and was very impressed...at first. After several days of settling my music sounded dull and lifeless. I reread the optimal weight recommendations, re-calibrated weight limits with temporary improvements. To my disappointment I realized the Oreo's could only be compressed (especially after the suction seal was formed between them and the component or platform the component sat on). Sure they rocked in all directions, but they didn't glide in all directions. Only horizontal isolation was taking place so I coupled the Oreo's with Barry's economic hip joints which has greatly improved the SQ. I'm loving it but I still feel there's room for improvement. Mainly because I own the Hfiman HE-6SE HP's and I run them through my power amp's speaker taps. So I want Barry's upgraded hip joints under my amp. I'm interested in Ingress Audio's vibration isolation rollerblocks.
http://www.ingress-engineering.ca/products-and-services.php
I've looked up info about their level 2's and 3's but specifics on their differences aren't given. I know Barry says the blocks should be machined smooth to a certain degree. I left a message with Ingress, but I'm impatient and wondering if perhaps the level 2's aren't as smooth as the 3's. The smoother, the greater the improvements. My question is does anyone know the differences between their Level 2 and Level 3 rollerblocks?
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So true @uberwaltz. For not much $, one can substitute harder, smoother tungsten carbide ball bearings for the stock steel balls. Symposium charges a small fortune for them, but they are available from ball bearing vendors for far cheaper. By the way, whether or not anyone thinks the original Ingress was a "knock-off" of the Symposium Roller Block Jr., Symposium was in 1997 granted a patent for the "double-stack" design used in both bearings. |
glupson "Pop quizIt would roll of the shelf. >>>>>>>There’s one in every crowd. |
The physics of roller bearings, pt 2. If the base of the roller bearing assembly is flat there can be only rotational isolation in the twist direction. 🕺🏻 Plus isolation in the horizontal x-z plane. You lose the isolation in the roll and rock directions. It is the rotational seismic forces that try to rotate the building and everything inside. If the base is concave the component is isolated in those two rotational directions. The smoother and harder the surfaces of the bass and base the easier the component will move when acted on by any external forces. Which means the whole roller bearing set up can easily get “stuck” when the balls roll to the edge of the base if the set up is not perfectly level and balanced. That condition limits the iso device’s isolation, since it cannot move further in that direction. Isolation effectiveness in a given direction is proportional to how easily the component can move in that direction. Another advantage of a concave surface for the base is that when the component rotates slightly due to rotational forces, there is some degree of vertical isolation since the component moves up and down vertically 🔝 as it rocks and rolls, no? Up and down as it rotates around its centerline axis. Recall wave passing under boat analogy. You can buy miniature 2” shallow ceramic bowls on line that might work very well and a glass marble of the appropriate size, one bowl on top and one on the bottom. Total cost for set of three roller bearing assemblies $30. |
I's still waiting for the same responses I got when I brought up Ingress Audio on another thread some time ago. A couple of posters claimed whatever sat on the bearings would roll right off and couldn't believe it would work.I believe I was one of those posters Nonoise. But it was not that I claimed they would roll right off , more I was having trouble in my mind seeing just what there was that would STOP the amp rolling right off very easily. But at $70 I was willing to give it a try and nope it did not move a mm once sat down on top of all three so mind put at rest. You do not know what you do not know...... |
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