Imaging and the first violin(s)


If there’s one gremlin in my listening for decades, it has been a certain instability in the image in certain circumstances. I listen to a lot of chamber music, and I’ve noticed that the first violin’s place in the image can get less defined, particularly when the instrument is playing fortissimo. I’ve also noticed it in orchestral music, and sometimes in different ranges of piano recordings - moving from left to right.

I wonder if it is my setup - I’m along the long wall of the room, and while there is lots of space on either side of the speakers, it is not exactly symmetrical. However, I just moved last year, and the shorter and harder side switched from right to left, yet I get the same thing. Three different sets of speakers have exhibited this, and I’ve noticed it auditioning music in dealer showrooms as well (btw, don’t all those speakers standing around play havoc with near term reflections??). I haven’t done enough controlled experimentation, but I do think toe-in ameliorates it a little, but not all together.

I wonder sometimes whether the violins are able to, essentially, cut into the right-aimed microphone at certain levels. Or, I suppose, it could be a frequency-based imbalance in my own right and left ear hearing.

Anybody else notice this sort of thing?
ahofer
@lowrider57 I suspect this mic bleed is fairly common. It is fair to say that the chamber music I have on my server is older recordings like this, which may be a factor. Right now I’m listening to a 2009 Guarnieri recording of the Mendelssohn opus 13 [oops it's a remastering] that is pretty solid, even in the more strident passages of the final movement.

I’ve always loved that movement of the Ravel, and I love how dynamic that recording is on a good system.
It really is a fantastic recording. But to be clear, it's not mic bleed. The purpose of an omni-directional mic is to pick up sound from all directions, 360°. This is minimal mic'ing and it's intended to sound more realistic by picking up ambience and more than one instrument. It's basic music recording. Much better than modern close-mic and muti-mic techniques.


Just listening to the Orpheus Quartet  playing a Bargiel String Quartet.  

https://www.amazon.com/Bargiel-String-Quartets-Nos-Octet/dp/B07KLGPDD6

Try track 4.  I think it's a reflection in the venue, but higher/louder passages also deliver violin in the right channel.
See/hear also the 2018 Doric Quartet versions of the Mendelssohn quartets, Chandos.
@ahofer,
Sorry for not getting back to you and I'll check out those links.

Regarding the Ravel 2nd movement, may I suggest that the viola is tuned-up a semi tone and is one of the instruments playing a pizzicato. Mozart uses this technique in his Sinfonia concertante.
 I'm listening to this and it is confusing how the two violins play pizzicato and melody while pizzicato can be heard away from the violins.

Just a guess.