Plinth ideas for DENON PD-80 DD turntable


While my pair of Victor TT-101 still sleeping in the storage, i decided to buy another Flying Saucer.

The DENON DP-80, vintageknob always have nice images and info about rare stuff...

On that page you see DP-80 with DA-401 tonearm for hich compliance cartridges (i have this tonesm NOS). It could be an interesting project, it was hard to resist ...

The question is the Plinth for this Denon DP-80.
The original DK-300 plinth is an option, but searching for something better i found this one.

Custom made plinth is always an option and i have superb Audio-Technica AT-616 pneumatic insulators to use under the plinth.

But what do you guys using with your Denon PD-80 ?

P.S. some companies now producing even an iron cast plinth and graphite plinth, i have no access to graphite, but iron cast here is cheap to make a custom plinth.
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The bottom bearing "holding" plate comes off by removing 3 screws, so its pretty easy. I have added 3 photos on the Systems page for the DD tables.  The last three ones  https://systems.audiogon.com/systems/6431

Good Listening

Peter
Beautiful photos, and turntables — thanks PBN. One shows the suspension of the dual-platter (6th from final pic). By removing the allen-heads that hold the leaf-springs, the platters can be separated. You will then see the foam pads, a key element in resonance/vibration control, isolating the playing surface (where the groove and stylus operate) from bearing-noise — bearing-noise (rumble) may be minimal, but it's there. The foam will be rotted and of no use, unless they've already been replaced.

Mine were rotted: crumbly powder, with a bit stuck to the metal like thin tar. The two platters were in direct metal-to-metal contact, totally defeating Denon's ingenious anti-resonance/vibration design.  

The gunk was easy to clean off. I then replaced it with new foam (described in an earlier post). The improvement is quite obvious: low level bearing noise was notable by its absence. It becomes silence, the silence between notes is truly silent, and you can hear subtle overtones and harmonics that were previous masked by the noise — a far more complete presentation of the music and all its subtleties, with concomitant benefits to imaging and soundstage.  

The new foam is readily available, the process isn't difficult, nor is re-assembly — though care must be taken to ensure the two parts of the platter are concentric and thus balanced.

Given that it's not hard, and if you're reasonably handy, I suggest it to anyone with a DP80, if your pads haven't been renewed already. The reward vastly exceeds the time/effort, and negligible cost.

PBN's photos also show that it's not hard to relube the bearing. With mine, the lube had turned to thick sludge at the bottom, with little remaining on the shaft. Again the difference was striking: the platter spun freely far longer, and a stethoscope verified far lower noise.

As above, take care to be sure the parts are aligned/centered properly.

Thanks again for those clear and helpful photos, PBN!
Yes. It was first time too, with no manual, but it’s not hard, just common sense. I DID make mistakes reassembling — alignment and centering, as I mention above — but they were easy to correct. Example: I didn’t center the two-part platter correctly. But the fix was simple: equal-thickness paper shims (spacers) at 5 points around the gap — same way as I center a speaker’s voice-coil in the magnet’s gap.

Also, choosing the new foam was a bit of guesswork: no details were available. I had a few on hand to choose from. Width was easy: if it fits the spaces where the pads go, it’s ok. I then chose highish density (it’s not specified on the packaging) with what seemed sufficient thickness, so it would compress when I tightened the Allen bolts, but not compress too much, retaining the "give" it needs to absorb vibration. It seems to do the job.

Two other easy tips... The gap should be checked between the fixed tape read-head and the moving magnetic-strip on the platter (1000 signals per rev — that’s about 2000 per second: very accurate). My gap was WAY off when I got it.

It’s easy to set. I used a precision feeler gauge, but even the Service Manual (which I got later) says just to use a business card. After reading that, I went back and checked the gap I’d set "precisely" with a gauge, this time with a business card — and the card was spot-on.

Checks yours with a card. If it’s too wide or too narrow, there’s only one screw to loosen, you’ll see it — set gap with card — not too tight, just so you can remove the card without a struggle — then retighten screw. Easy.

BUT at all times be SUPER-CAREFUL of that magnetic-strip. I don’t even touch it (skin-oils etc).

One more: when the platter is removed, you’ll see a small electrical switch. It’s marked 50Hz or 60Hz. Set for your local system of course. BUT the switch is a bit misleading: it LOOKS like a slide-switch, and the labeling (50 vs 60) reinforces this false impression. But it’s really a push-switch — DOWN is 50Hz, UP is 60Hz. (I mention it because mine was set wrong when I got it.)

I assume you know it’s a 100V unit (unless yours is special) so a step-down transformer is VITAL, especially in 220-240V territory. It needn’t be a massive step-down: the current draw is minimal (mine has a 1-amp fuse, but it’s for US 117V). My step-down is small, easily hidden out of sight, and it’s worked fine for a decade.

Of course a pro would double-check everything with instruments, which I don’t have, but if the instruments detect a problem, it’s most likely with aging, out-of-spec components on the circuit boards, not the simple switch.

I hope this helps.