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New Gold Note PH 10

I had posted a question a while ago about hearing from anyone with experience comparing the Gold Note PH 10 vs. the Bryston BP2 or Clear Audio Smart V2 phono preamps.  I never heard anything back about this subject, so I decided to just simply purchase a new PH 10 and compare it against my Clear Audio preamp.  

First impressions:  As much as I love my Clear Audio Smart V2 and in particular its sound stage and imaging qualities, I have to say that the PH 10 was considerably better at detail and picking out the instruments, especially the low and mid range ones.   The Clear Audio seemed to be a little better at the upper end imaging and the sound stage.  But keep in mind this was with the PH 10 new right out of the box.

I was told the PH 10 needs at least 50 hours of run in time to open up, so I used it for two nights and left it on for several days.  After allowing it to settle in and enjoying a lot of music, I still thought the Clear Audio had a leg up on it in the sound stage/imaging department.   So I decided to listen to a well known record to me with excellent recording and a lot of dynamic range on the PH 10, then switch the wires over to the Clear Audio (which I had not heard in several days by this time), and replay the record.   YIKES!!!  it was like a blanket was draped over my speakers.  I had become so gradually accustomed to the new PH 10 that I had not noticed the slight changes going on with the break in.  When the Clear Audio was swapped back into the system (it took me about a minute to do this), it was night and day the differences.

The PH 10 was by far a much more detailed, pronounced signature with a superior sound stage and the imaging was hands down better.  I am using it with the Audio Technica AT20ss vintage MM cartridge which has an extraordinary frequency range of 5-50K hz, so I was able to take advantage of the Enhanced RIAA curve the PH 10 has.  It is pretty outstanding.   Make sure you break things in!   I love this phono preamp.
slimpikins5
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slimpikins5 OP
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Actually I was 'sort of happy' with the Gold Note.  The Gold Note had some software control issues in terms of the relays controlling the Gain and Loading settings.   I was told by the factory to do a firmware update which came out late spring.  I honestly didn't wish to deal with this as I wanted something much more simple to keep in operation.   Plus I found the Gold Note in my system tended to have ground loop issues, which I did eliminate with experimentation, but again I am looking for simple.

As far as performance goes, the Gold Note has a very nice mid range, but compared to the Whest Three with its outboard power supply and dual mono power line feeds (each is a 5 conductor XLR), there is no comparison.... the Whest is hands down far better.   The Gold Note cannot compete with the Whest in terms of low end dynamic output and the upper end is far smoother with a substantial advantage in sound stage and 3D imaging.   The mid range in the Whest is also excellent; so in essence, it has it all.   In addition, the Whest has a very pronounced superior level of detail.   I am very anxious to try out some new low capacitance phono cables shortly just to hear what that does.   


As far as noise goes, the Whest is extremely quiet, I don't even know if it is on when I switch over to the phono input on the system.  The Gold Note was not nearly as quiet.  But you pay for all of this as the Whest is almost 3 times the price point; but in my eyes well worth the cost.
lewm
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Exactly which of the many versions of the west phono stage do you have? I know it is a Whest three, but there seems to be more than one version of the three. I am open minded to the whest , as well as to the gold note. If I were to go ahead and make a purchase.
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chakster
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@lewm you can buy two, compare them, return one and report which one you like the most, haha :)) 
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slimpikins5 OP
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Lew,

There is technically only one version of the Whest Three SE.  I know that they have a special "rare" version which is a souped up Three SE and they add the 40 RDT SE front end to it.  But that is even more money.

If you get the regular Whest Three SE, it comes standard with the  HVDM high voltage dual mono power supply with the two XLR interconnects.  They also include some RCA input interconnects with it.  It runs around $4K US dollars new.
lewm
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Funny you mention the outboard PS.  One of my longstanding beefs with the Whest stages is that they seemed to lack an outboard supply, which to me is a must, for the price range inhabited by the upper level Whest products.  In fact, I just took a look on Hi-Fi Shark.  There are two 30RDT SEs for sale.  One shows the rear view, which shows an IEC input for an AC cord on the back of the chassis, as well as a rocker type power switch.  This suggests there is no outboard supply, despite the fact that you say there is, even for the less expensive 3 (and I do believe you).  But I am confused by Whest product line.  What am I looking at?
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