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noble100

You've failed to provide any evidence supporting your claim that humans are able to localize deep bass frequency soundwaves ...

You failed to read what I wrote. I cited a specific mechanism that's been shown to allow localizing low bass frequencies. Please read more carefully.

Your claim is in direct conflict with the scientific research results on this exact topic. Here's a link to one of many examples:
https://www.audiocheck.net/audiotests_basslocalization.php

According to your reference, "... as the frequency drops below a critical frequency - usually around 80 Hz - it becomes very difficult to determine a sound's location." That doesn't seem to support your claim that "We all are unable to localize deep bass frequency soundwaves ... below about 100 Hz ." Please read more carefully.

 You failed to reference or list any information supporting your claim ... You failed to provide any evidence to support your claim ...  You failed to name a single vinyl or cd recording that does not have the bass summed to mono below about 80-100 Hz ... I fail to see any purpose in your last post ... your claim that true stereo deep bass exists completely meaningless.

I need to show only one exception to your claim  ("We all are unable to localize deep bass frequency soundwaves ...  that are below about 100 Hz") to show that you're mistaken.

Even if your false claim was true and your system could playback true stereo deep bass, you'd have no true stereo deep bass recordings to play on your system and, therefore, true stereo bass, for all practical purposes, would not exist for you or anyone else whose system was also capable of playback of stereo deep bass.

That is begging the question, the logical fallacy of circular reasoning.

    I suggest it makes no sense to create one's audio system, or advise anyone else to create an audio system, that includes subs positioned and configured for stereo deep bass playback.

You can certainly assemble a very fine system using mono bass - I've heard it done. But that doesn't support the canard that LF can't be localized. And since you obviously have never heard proper stereo LF, your opinion that "it makes no sense" in itself, makes no sense.

 

Hello cleeds,

Okay, I just reread your previous post and you’re not making any sense. I don’t know exactly what’s wrong with you but you’re not  actually giving examples or explanations that you think you’ve given.
For example, you stated:
"You failed to read what I wrote. I cited a specific mechanism that’s been shown to allow localizing low bass frequencies. Please read more carefully."

You blame me for not reading carefully, I reread your previous post thinking I may have missed something and discover there’s absolutely no mention at all of "a specific mechanism that’s been shown to allow localizing low bass frequencies". It’s as if you suffered a stroke and don’t yet realize your diminished cognitive and communication abilities or you’re under the influence of some substance. Meanwhile, I still have no idea exactly what this magic mechanism is. Do you?
There are numerous other examples from your last two posts like this. You stated: "I need to show only one exception to your claim ("We all are unable to localize deep bass frequency soundwaves ... that are below about 100 Hz") to show that you’re mistaken."

This is not actually a valid claim but you compound the nonsense by not even giving a single example or exception to the fact we are unable to localize deep bass soundwaves that are below about 80-100 Hz.

Your big point from your last post, and the only one that makes a modicum of sense is when you stated:
"According to your reference, "... as the frequency drops below a critical frequency - usually around 80 Hz - it becomes very difficult to determine a sound’s location." That doesn’t seem to support your claim that "We all are unable to localize deep bass frequency soundwaves ... below about 100 Hz ." Please read more carefully."

Wow, great point! I did make a mistake in my earlier post by forgetting that some early research results by experts stated we can’t localize deep bass tones below 100 Hz, while more recent research results usually states 80 Hz or an approximate range of 80-100 Hz due to more specific recent experimental data results.

My last example of your lack of focus and direct cogent rebuttals is your continued lack of response to my request that you name a single vinyl or cd recording example that does not have all the bass below about 80-100 Hz summed to mono. FYI, I know you'll be unable to find a single example in any recording format.

I don’t believe it’s worth the continued frustration of debating with you on this subject if you’re unable to identify even a single vinyl or cd recording containing stereo deep bass. The whole debate becomes moot and we should both just continue using systems we deem best suited to the existing music recordings available.
You’ll save a boatload of wasted time searching for something that doesn’t exist if you’re able to accept the reality of all current recorded music on vinyl, cd and high resolution digital audio files lacking stereo deep bass.


Until you find one,
        Tim

noble100

... you’re not making any sense. I don’t know exactly what’s wrong with you but you’re not actually giving examples or explanations that you think ... It’s as if you suffered a stroke and don’t yet realize your diminished cognitive and communication abilities or you’re under the influence of some substance ... you compound the nonsense by not even giving a single example or exception ... your lack of focus and direct cogent rebuttals is your continued lack of response ...
I don’t believe it’s worth the continued frustration of debating with you ...

I can’t help you with your compromised reading comprehension, your repeated illogic or your odd belief that your rambling and word salad somehow constitute a "debate."

You’ll save a boatload of wasted time searching for something that doesn’t exist if you’re able to accept the reality of all current recorded music on vinyl, cd and high resolution digital audio files lacking stereo deep bass.

There is very much such a thing as stereo bass. Because I have it, there’s no need for me to search for it. Have a nice day!

cleeds:
"There is very much such a thing as stereo bass. Because I have it, there’s no need for me to search for it. Have a nice day!"

     Hello cleeds,

     Let me get this straight.  You have a system that's capable of playback of music in stereo sound on deep bass and you're still unable to name a single example of recorded music on any format that contains stereo deep bass below about 80-100 Hz ?

     Forget about the search!  All you need to do now to prove your claim that stereo deep bass actually exists is to name a single example of recorded music on any format that you have ever played back on your stereo bass system.  
     Easy right? I mean you'd have to be playing back something recorded with actual stereo deep bass to actually get stereo deep bass reproduced in your room, right?  You obviously wouldn't be stupid enough to have a system capable of reproducing deep stereo bass without having any recordings containing deep stereo bass, right?  You'd have to be an idiot to do that.
     Since we both know you can't and won't name a single recording you play on your deluxe stereo bass system because none exist, there's no avoiding the conclusion that there's no such thing as stereo deep bass below 80-100 Hz. I could swear that's what I stated at the start of this waste of time debate?  Case closed.


Nice try,
Tim

noble100

Let me get this straight. You have a system that’s capable of playback of music in stereo sound on deep bass and you’re still unable to name a single example of recorded music on any format that contains stereo deep bass below about 80-100 Hz ?

No, you don’t have it straight at all. I suggest you do a little homework, such as reviewing any of the real scientific literature on sound localization, e.g. Brughera and Dunai; or the work of Stevens & Newman, done w-a-y back in 1936. (That’s old, but the science is still valid.) There’s actually a lot of science on this, but you’ll have to get your head out of silly consumer magazines such as "Secrets of Home Theater" and the like.

You may also want to more carefully re-read what I’ve already posted on stereo bass.

This thread suggests that you suffer from illogic and compromised reading comprehension, so you’ll probably just continue to cling to your beliefs. Although you wrote "Case closed" what you really have is "Mind closed" and I can’t help you with that.

Have a Nice Day!