Horn Speaker Recommendations


I am looking for your feedback on what Horn speakers I should consider in the $15k-$40k price range.  Please describe the rationale for your recommendations.  
willgolf
@jsautter I heard your speakers several years ago at a show. Very nice. Incredible build quality, and the first horn loaded ribbon ( tweeter ) I have ever seen, or heard. I very much understand why you have them, but, still not my cup of tea, nor do I feel they were worth 40K. YMMV. As far as the large horns spoken about by johnk, ridiculous for the majority of living rooms most of us listen in. A quote from a recent Stereophile review on the Forte !!!s : " Horns have the rare ability to reproduce the note - perfect timing, rhythmic energy, and blood - pulsing impact of the real event ". " With their high sensitivity ratings and low power requirements, horns deliver music faster, with jumpin’ jiminy dynamics at practically every volume level ". Could not have said it better. What many " hybrid " horn systems lack, imo ( and this is a quality I appreciate from many years of listening to other types of speakers, such a Vandersteen, Thiel, Wilson and others ), is this thing called " coherence ". My Lascalas ( tweaked and modified ) do this with uncanny, breathtaking honesty. The bass horn, mid horn and treble horn all work together, unlike, say, a pair of Altec 19s, which are an excellent, competitive speaker with the Lascala ( I owned a few pair in my years ), but have a substantial disconnect between woofer, and the horn. My ears are very sensitive to this. Keep in mind, I would rather own a pair of 19s, over a pair of Vandersteen 3s, whatever series. I just like horns, and have, for over 50 years, and I thank PWK, and his early, and still, excellent designs, for this. Lastly, johnk states he can come up with a killer system for about 2K, being superior to other horn speakers at that price level. I admire and respect johnk, just from the readings here, but I would love to see the plans on this design. I also need to say this. I do not know what speakers willgolf will wind up with, but, based on his " regular " room he has in mind for this 2 channel rig, I doubt, based on years of experience, and listening, that his expensive system, will not be able to bring " me " any more listening enjoyment, than my current rig. I do wish him luck, and I am sure, he will be very happy, as at least, he will own horns. Enjoy ! MrD.

Here is a recent review of the Forte III which details its shortcomings as well as its strengths. Not your usual "fluff" piece review like most of them.


My first experience with attempting to fill a large space with sound from home speakers, was my neighbor’s rec room built in the mid-seventies. The room was approximately 30 x 30 with 18ft ceiling. The first time I entered the space Elton John’s anthem “Funeral For A Friend/Love Lies Bleeding” was on the turntable. But no matter how far we pushed the volume, the room swallowed the sound. If only the Klipsch Forte III’s had been in that space the results would have been so very different.

Reliving this 40+ year-old moment, the bass guitar dominates during the transition from down to up-tempo. The Forte III’s energize Elton’s pounding of the ivory. Listening to “Bennie and the Jets” is pretty darn epic as the concert hall sound is easily recreated. Pick any track from Goodbye Yellow Brick Road and the Forte III’s will easily rock the space. The Forte has been a part of the Klipsch stable since the mid 1980’s, with the basic design never wavering. The cabinet is a brawny 16.5 inches wide to go with the 36-inch height. Depth is a modest 13 inches. The review pair came in a beautiful satin finish American walnut veneer. Other veneers include Natural Cherry, Black Ash, and Distressed Oak. Be warned, each cabinet tips the scales at a health 72 pounds. The expansive width allows for both compression-style titanium 1” tweeter and 1.75” midrange horns inset into the cabinet above the 12” fiber woofer. A back panel mounted 15” passive woofer provides the thunder. Dual five-way binding posts complete the tour. Each speaker sits on a simple, rectangular frame base.

Due to the Forte III size, I chose to review them in my 15’x19’ living room. After more than a few hours of constant moving the Forte III’s found their sweet spot just 12” out from the rear wall and 7 feet apart. Every room and speaker is different so don’t be afraid to play around. The Forte III’s are all about the big sound, delicacy is not a part of their DNA. It’s about re-creating a big room and these speakers from Arkansas do it well. Blood, Sweat, & Tears “Spinning Wheel” powers its way with sharp percussion. The sheer size of these speakers helps keep congestion to a minimum, as the ending stays clean thru the mash up flutes and other instruments. In a bit of a surprise, the various trumpet solos are quite smooth, not overly intense including when combining the Forte III’s horns and the Peachtree nova150’s class D amplification. Throughout the album, Blood, Sweat, & Tears brass never falls into shrill territory. The best example is “Lucretia MacEvil”. The distinct vocal style of David Clayton Thomas is presented in full detail.

Continuing the 1970’s musical tour, “School” from Supertramp delivers a nice full room kick once the band joins in. The Forte III’s thrive off the wide dynamic swings of the group. Quiet passages provide respectable detail and the ability to pump vast energy is a real treat. At 8 Ohm nominal and 99db efficiency, it doesn’t take much wattage to get the room pressurized. A vintage 25wpc Pioneer receiver had no problem forcing my ears into a distortion-free surrender. The idea that a $3600 pair of speakers can take a listener into ecstasy with such simple amplification is lights out cool. Taking advantage of the wife being out of town, an autumn rainstorm in Portland meant putting on The Who’s Quadrophenia at decibel levels that could stir Keith Moon’s remains. John Entwhistle’s thundering bass left no doubt that the Forte III’s are truly a monster rock speaker. Add in Pete Townshend’s lead guitar windmill strokes and Moon’s chaotic artillery drumming and it’s rock n’ roll at its finest. The Forte III’s paired in this case with a 35 wpc Vista Audio integrated tube amp provided all the juice one could ask from a speaker. Having so much upper volume pleasure, it seemed only appropriate to relive the concert rock days. Like many, I spent a couple of Sunday’s during summers attending all-day stadium shows. Delving into memory lane with Kansas’ classic “Carry On Wayward Son”, the Forte III’s take great advantage of the massive passive radiator. Yet, the bass kicks blended rather than overwhelmed the balance of the piping synthesizer. The famous signature violin and acoustic guitars in “Dust in the Wind” create excellent stage depth without any harsh shriek.





Providing the big hall sound does mean a tradeoff. Pinpoint imaging is sacrificed along with the single position ultimate sweet spot. Instead, several listeners get to enjoy the concert sound. So don’t worry about moving about the room or tilting your head. It’s all about enjoying music with others. With the treble and midrange horns one would think that the accordion would be a no-go instrument. Listening to “Check It Out” by John Mellencamp dismisses that theory, as the hand organ places itself nicely within the large soundstage. The upper frequencies are sharp, but never irritating no matter which of the three amplification types powered the Forte III’s. Paired with Nelson Pass designed vintage 60wpc Adcom GFA 535ii, the Forte III’s ooze punch and dynamic power. The famous Maxell tape magazine ad comes to mind with guy in the chair and his hair bowing backwards from the speaker’s output. The best musical match of this pairing was surprisingly the various Indigo Girls ballads, especially “watershed”. Both vocals and instrumentation was stunning, with tonality, instrument separation, and vocal harmonies made for a lean-in experience. A few acoustic and small instrumental recordings did demonstrate the Forte III’s limitations. Sade’s vocals lack the warmth and come across with a bit of a honk, even with tube power. The delicate fingering of Sean Harkness acoustic guitar doesn’t have the inner detail of other speakers. The finite symphonic details of “Neptune” from Holst’s The Planets don’t match the Forte III’s wonderful recreation of the concert hall and the ability to hear quiet passages. It’s the consummation of everything, rather than the individual ingredients that make the Forte III’s so much damn fun. Final ThoughtsThe Klipsch Forte III’s are all about the big sound and enveloping the space and listener. If you’re into the absolute finite instrumental detail, the Forte III’s are not for you. The Klipsch experience is enveloping and reminds the listener of what live music is all about. The fact that very little power can make the Forte III’s fill even an immense space makes the speakers’ price tag far more reasonable. If you have a big room and a hankering for rock or larger ensembles, give the Forte III’s a ride, just bring along a BIC lighter to flick!
Providing the big hall sound does mean a tradeoff. Pinpoint imaging is sacrificed along with the single position ultimate sweet spot.
My system does not seem to have that tradeoff. I get pinpoint imaging along with a huge soundstage- the bigger the room, the better.

I like to play King Crimson's Islands at shows- the string bass in the first track is very natural and the bass drum later in that same track is quite visceral. The shimmer of the cymbals in ELP's self titled first LP is wonderful- I have a Pink Island copy which is a bit smoother and more lively than the US vinyl. The guitar sound on Yes' The Yes Album (plum label UK Atlantic) is just like the amp is sitting right in front of you.

Meanwhile EMI made some impressive classical recordings about the same time- one of them, The Wand of Youth I like to play as a demo of depth, detail and dynamic range (Wild Bears track). So when its a 70s recording, is that just rock or is classical included? Does it matter if its Kraut Rock, British or American?

The fact of the matter is speakers have no taste of their own and a good speaker is equally good at rock or jazz as it is classical or folk. The idea that a speaker is especially suited for a certain period or genre of music seems to be one of the bigger myths that exists in audio.




Mrdecibel1

I would be curious to get your opinion on the Rethm Saadhana (if you have heard them).  They have powered bass built in (obviously not horn) but designed to avoid the disconnect and goes down to 18Hz.  I find their sound wonderful (but obviously that is my opinion).  Did you hear a disconnect?
Obviously,, the Rethm would be pricier than your suggestion, but less 'work' as a plug and play so to say.

Thanks

dseltz