Buyer is claiming damage that was done by him!


Hi group,
I sold a pair of mint Harbeths. I shipped them in original double boxed carton with original bonnets covering them. I just received this EMAIL from the buyer. I know that many ruin these speakers trying to pry  the magnetic grills off incorrectly. What is my recourse with this issue?
Thanks  much for your input!

This is the EMAIL I received from the buyer!

Hi. I picked up the speakers from FedEx yesterday. They arrived with some minor dents around the front top corners near the grille on both speakers. When I opened the outer box, I've noticed that one side of the inner box wasn't sealed on top and as a result the speakers came out of the top foam speaker holder. I guess the damage occurred from speakers bumping against each other. The grill cloth is also ripped near the dents. I've sent an email to Harbeth asking how much replacement grills are going to cost. I could probably live with those dents but grills might be replaced at some point. I'm still waiting on my amp to come back from service, so I have not even plugged the speakers in yet. Hopefully the drivers are ok.    
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IMHO Brett went above and beyond in this situation and is an excellent example of the type of seller you can trust and respect, hats off.

Now just to share an experience of mine from past couple of days of somebody exact polar opposite!

I purchased approx. 200 cassette tapes from a buyer in Washington State to be shipped to myself in Florida, yep 3000 miles.
They shipped them within a flimsy cardboard box with zero internal packing of any sort at all.
My USPS driver pointed out the obvious damage to box and did I want to accept it. I decided to accept.
Upon opening and inspection the tapes seemed ok but there were approx. 20 broken cases.
Sent seller a message through Ebay of the situation and that I would be happy just to source some new cases.
Now I searched eBay and found somebody selling 20 empty cases for $8 shipped so I bought them.
Long and short the seller ends up arguing about the $8 refund as not their fault the post office damaged them!
Say what? I sent them pictures of their crabby packing and box and that imho the USPS could hardly be blamed for that.
It should never have gone past one email tbh!
Situations reversed if a buyer had just asked me for $8 to resolve a potential $100 problem ( return and return shipping etc), the refund would have been done before the literal ink was dry on the paper!
This was from a seller of 1575 feedback so should have KNOWN much better .
I could have demanded a return with full refund and/or left negative feedback for their stupidity IF I was an unreasonable person.
But no I took it upon myself to find empty cases, buy them and expect that for $8 it would have been a cut and dry case.

STILL not seen a refund yet.... lol.

Could not care less about $8 but the principle, well that's what stings!
Unfortunately, some times there is nothing you can do, other than as one comment suggested, taking pictures of the item with all internal packing visible, prior to closing the exterior box.  As the seller, unless otherwise provided in your ad, you are responsible for getting the item safely to the buyer.  That is why you should always insure whatever you are shipping.  At least make the claim for the $100 if you didn't insure it!

That being said, the story does sound fishy, as the factory internal packaging should prevent any damage and the likelihood that there was damage to the internal packing without any exterior damage is pretty slim (but not impossible, I suppose).  You clearly went above and beyond the call of duty in trying to make the buyer happy.

Compare that to an experience that I had on here buying a $2K subwoofer.  It was packed at a UPS store.  When I received the box, it looked like some UPS employees used it like a soccer ball.  The exterior box was significantly damaged, the interior box was also damaged at the same places, corners were crushed, knobs broken off, etc.  I took pictures of everything before I opened the box and then documented everything as I opened it up and showed the enormous damage.  I called UPS and they said it was only insured for $100, but that if it was packed at a UPS store, the UPS store would refund the purchase price, BUT ONLY TO THE SELLER.  I told the seller that I was sending it back to him to deal with.  Seller refused to refund my money, claimed that the shipping damage was my problem, and when I opened a PayPal dispute, argued against PayPal paying me.  Although PayPal initially ruled against me notwithstanding the photographic evidence, I called PayPal and complained and they ultimately ruled in my favor.

So, the moral of the story is that stuff happens.  Sometimes outside of the control of either party.  But if you take steps to (1) document the packing, (2) insure it, and (3) as a buyer, if the box looks damaged when you receive it, start documenting the unboxing, you can avoid most problems with people who have good feedback.
edkc is right. As long as shipments are insured it is the responsibility of the receiving party to file a claim. The shipper (seller) has no responsibility because the freight company accepted them, insured them and is responsible for delivering them. The shipper (seller) has no responsibility because he has no control over what happens to them. This issue happens to me from time to time at work. A customer signs for a damaged shipment then wants me to pay for damage. The signature transfers ownership. If there is damage that was undetected at the time of delivery, the accepting party usually has "X" number of days to file a claim. People who purchase goods must take responsibility to understand the shipping process and to always have shipments insured. The seller has no control over the shipment of the product and should not be held responsible. There, that's my soapbox speech!
You guys may be right but I still think the seller should intervene and provide as much help as possible including up to providing a refund. It can be a nightmare dealing with Fed Ex, UPS and the post office. This is not something that anyone of us could enjoy.
I suppose there are scammers but I think (hopefully) that is a rarity. However, in this case it does sound fishy.

My experience has been that the first question from the shipping company is; Are you the shipper?

Again, I say the seller needs to be involved bigtime and be as helpful as he can and don’t point fingers in the other directions.

ozzy