Thiel CS 3.7 vs Tidal Piano Cera

Geopolitis states..."The fact that no Tidal owners have post a comment about your question shows that none of them considers Thiel a competitive product to a Tidal. They belong in a totally different class."

While this could be true, it should also be pointed out that the Tidal lists for between, $28,800.00 and $36,700.00
which is at least one multiple of the cost of THIEL.
I always find it amusing when folks do this..."The THIEL'S are good, but the Vandersteen 7's are better." (Example). Without then mentioning that the Vandersteens, while a wonderful product, cost @$40K.
The real question, unless Zood has an unlimited budget, 'What costs the same and performs better.' NOT, what costs at least twice as much and 'may' perform better.

One other troubling comment. "More musical"...we need more information on that assessment--in what way? Some of us think, colorations when we think of 'musical', that being a euphamism for 'meaty bass', tipped up midrange, rolled off highs.

I would think the Tidal is a lovely product---and for $30+K it should be. My question, how does it compare to the like priced Sound Labs, my first reccommendation?
Plus, I'm bothered by the Manufacturers web site information. Some of it is just, plain silly. Example:
Regarding Frequency Response they say simply F3=32Hz

I'm the first to say, and have that the imprecise technique of putting a 1K tone with 2.83V, then measuring the output at one meter from the face of the speaker is 'static' and not revelatory of the actual dynamics that can/will be expressed by music...however, to state...

"efficiency: since several unrealistic numbers of competitors we don't want to confuse clients by comparing non-saying numbers on paper. Therefore it is: "Good efficiency, easy to drive also with tube amps / SET'S".
If this is an attempt at humor, it's not funny, AND it's not very telling.
There are MUCH better ways to indicate efficiency. I expect they're going for reverse 'snob/audiophile appeal', and I'm not appreciating their approach.
They MAY make a great product, and it certainly IS LOVELY to look at, but they should really work on their presentation for the 'science' of their product.

Look at the Sound Labs Zood.

Thanks,
Larry

The Tidal Piano Cera now retails between $24K and $28K depending on the finish according to their US dealer (The Voice That Is). Still expensive, but quite a bit less than stated. Larry, I agree with some of your criticisms, but get the facts right! I think the Piano Cera represents the best value in the Tidal line and is very price competetive. The base piano black finish is exceptional and I can't imagine paying the upcharge for the premium finish. I certainly love mine!

The 'facts' as you state them, were taken from their website. The pricing, unless it's changed since the date of my post should be correct.
Regardless, of YOUR error in correcting me, I stand by my comment. A speaker that sells for about $14K, should not be critiqued against one that lists for $28K, UNLESS the criterion is absolute...and can then be weighted against the budget of the buyer.
Generally, not always, items that cost more, perform better in their category...(very generally), with personal preferences being the deciding factor. In this case, assuming that the Tidals are as good as everyone says, yet are compared directly with an item costing about half, the next question I would ask is, "How do the Tidal speakers compare to those costing $48K to $56K"--a comparison/quetion as valid as THIEL vs Tidal, to be sure.

Larry

In my opinion the strength if the Tidal is their musical accuracy thus they get out of the way and then there is only you and the music! Money doesn't buy that no matter how much a company decides to Market their speaker! Bottom line is that even the "small" piano Cera is just a better speaker than almost anything out there! IMHO

Happy Listening,

Mike

Larry, my sole criticism of your post was in the incorrect retail pricing that you provided. US pricing is a very fluid variable when it comes to foreign made products coupled with a change in distributorship which occurred last summer (well before your post with pricing information). Sound quality is something we should all debate, but I would not descibe it as a fact like retail price.