Active isolation; what can it do for music reproduction?


i was involved in a thread about stylus drag on turntables where my use of active isolation came up. it was asked for me to discuss my views and use of this approach for system optimization. i mentioned it likely needed it's own thread to do justice to the topic. here it is.

excuse me if i get too basic here to begin with. i've not seen this subject discussed in depth on Audiogon before.

active isolation devices use piezoelectric sensors in 6 axis to sense resonance and piezoelectric actuators in 6 axis to compensate for that resonance. in essence it's a feedback loop of read and compensate. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piezoelectric_sensor

passive devices are more or less springs to one degree or another. springs float, settle and overshoot. active devices are relatively stiff; 500 times stiffer than passive since they can STOP and START. passive can't stop and start. you do see passive devices with automatic leveling, but otherwise they can only act passively as a spring. 

an example of an active device; the Herzan TS Series;

http://www.herzan.com/products/active-vibration-control/ts-series.html

the limitations of active devices are mainly as follows; 

---they are only really effective under 200hz.
---in stock form they typically have signal path corrupting switch mode power supplies.
---to be effective they need a solid base. which means a solid rack grounded to a solid concrete floor. suspended wood floors, or non-solid racks are going to compromise the performance.
---the gear being isolated cannot have it's own self resonance that might excite the active sensors. and not every piece of gear will benefit from active isolation. so active is very system context dependent. you can't just use it anywhere and expect a particular result.

there are very very good passive devices that approach what an active device can do; the Minus K, Stacore platforms, and Vibraplance are three popular examples. i'd recommend investigating these before considering any active devices. those examples do need the same solid floor and rack as active to be effective.

and another consideration is a passive isolation rack; the best example i can give is the Artesania decoupling rack systems. likely the best passive rack. again; a solid floor is going to allow the Artesania to perform at it's best.

finally; there is a website tutorial which can really get granular with deeper levels of information on active devices for those interested. 

http://www.herzan.com/resources/tutorials.html

lastly i will say that active devices are something you consider when you've mostly done everything else you can do and want to take things further. cross otherwise impossible thresholds of performance. you have a system that is where you want it to be. active is the bleeding edge. it will allow the music to escape the confines of resonance in a way nothing else can do. it's just physics.
mikelavigne
Very informative thread. Thank you all.
What is the preference for 100 pound speakers (dynaudio contour 60 ish) that are setup in my basement. The flooring is, wall to wall carpet, carpet pad, concrete slab 6 inches thick, earth.
When I use the native speaker spikes directly to the concrete (through the carpet/pad) it's tricky to adjust 4 ...there is usually some way I can push in the x-y axes that result in some minor movements. I have tried over and over to make it 100% stable but can't get there. 
I am wondering if it's better to screw in some aftermarket damped feet to decouple the concret to floor interface.
(I'm a vibration nube, but beginning to realize the importance of reducing it in components) 

Thx


what might be happening with speaker spikes on the concrete is that it’s digging in a bit on a molecular level so the depth is changing slightly. if you use some sort of disc under the spikes (copper pennies actually work well) then you will stop any tendency to dig in but retain the solidity. there are lots of examples on the market of discs with dimples to accept spikes. i would be surprised if you don't already have some laying around.

in my long list of tweaks i do list the 2NS from Wave Kinetics which are exactly what you ask for; decoupling footers speaker spikes can go into. and their decoupling action is designed for speakers; to allow the drivers to stay linear by not getting ground based acoustic feedback. here is a link.

http://wavekinetics.com/products/2ns/?doing_wp_cron=1572282455.7133500576019287109375

i use -4- sets of 2NS under my 4 x 750 pound tower speakers. so they are ready to rock with lots of dynamics.
How about you embrace the instability and go with the Townsend seismic platforms? These really work to decouple the speaker from the floor and from seismic interference. They were ideal with my old Magic Q3s. The Magico Mpods world the same trick but via constrained layer faking on my current speakers and don’t result in wobble which can seem offputting 
@mikelavigne I think you are right; The sharp points eventually just burrow into the concrete; I can sometimes turn the threads just enough to give that rock solid foundation, but it does not last.

Something like the IsoAcoustic carpet spike thing makes some sense, as it distributes the corner loads to 3 spikes instead of the one, so this should help;

As for rack, the rack seems ok on the same surface (carpet/pad/concrete) even with the spikes. 

@folkfreak that is a cool thought; "embrace the instability"; this basically sums up my 30+ year run chasing high end audio shenanigans :)
Cheers all;



Just popping in to point out the way the Townshend pods or any spring type device work is primarily to prevent mechanical feedback from the speaker cabinets to the rest of the system via the floor. The pods do this exceptionally well since the lowest frequencies generated by the speakers are well above the point on the curve where mass-on-spring systems like the pods are 99.9% effective. Iso systems are two way systems. 🔛 It doesn’t do much good to prevent floorborne vibrations from coming up to the speakers since the speakers generate so much energy of their own. The secondary benefit of the pods is too reduce cabinet resonances. No, speakers are not (rpt not) like musical instruments. 🎻