Cryogenically treated cables

atdavid: addressing everyone with the scientific end of the thing does no more than not addressing them.

If they understood what someone was talking about, then they would not need the scientific explanation. If they are given that explanation, due to them not understanding the result, there is generally little to no chance they understand the scientific explanation.

The whole thing becomes a circular mess.

All that is left is open ridicule, as all other avenues have been well exhausted. Ad infinitum.

It’s that maxim: "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win”

But on the internet the curmudgeons remain at the laugh and fight level, they never progress past it. And if they do, they do it silently, the saving face bit..and they are replaced by the next wanna be dogmatic ’law’ spouting expert.

IMO, Geoff gave up long ago and remains in a comfortable ’smack them around’ mode. For good solid reasons.

the next thing I’m aware of, and I’ve been through this many a time..is..that..if one shares the reasoning, the few get it and then the attacks cease. Sort of. For a while. Until the next thing comes along that they don’t understand. Which isn’t long in coming.

Meanwhile, some of them are rushing to production and the patent office, to take one’s explained ideas and understandings...for themselves.

For me, I’ve served up about 5-6-7 patents that way (ideas patented by others), served up to other people and actually started up two branches of ’high end’ product (audio and video) areas via ’doing things right’.

I did this so often, for a while, that I used it as a litmus test to see if someone was decent and capable of being trusted. If they took the bait for the low (hanging) level patent (fruit) or idea and stole it, then they showed they could not be trusted with the good stuff.

IIRC, and I can’t explain who and what, but there is a recent patent in some areas of high technology and is used by a audio company of new renown (re-established by the owner, etc) all based upon my stolen idea.

I shared an idea with someone who can’t keep their mouth shut, it seems, and that idea ended up being the center piece of a new company from a stalwart in the audio business. The person I knew and shared with was hanging out with the ’stalwart’ at the time it would have been gestated). Number 7 or 8 or 9, for me, now? (stolen ideas, patented by others)

So if you want to figure any of this out, it is ALL ON YOU. You can demand all you want but a sensible human being would ignore you.... and when you refuse and demand again, then expect to get smacked about. For all the right reasons.

I’m changing my movie classification to "Split" ...I count three personalities (so far)...one in cryo prison, the other a quick show, and....

teo_audio,
The only thing scientific in my post was that Teflon insulation can stand up to cryogenic temperatures, PVC and polyethylene, not so much. I posted this as there were specific questions in this thread about whether cables could be damaged or not.

The rest of my post was to point out that highly critical industries don’t show much interest in cryogenic treatment of cables and you don’t have to be technical to draw a conclusion from that.

Contrary to your statement, I find that many in audiophile communities do actually want to learn and step outside their comfort zone of knowledge. That may require simplifying things more that many of us are used to, but the underlying science does not change. Based on how few people seem to actually post and how many active audiophiles their are, I would say the group that wants to learn is the silent majority and the group that wants to shut down discussion is the loud minority.

Whether geoff gave up or not, I do not know, but I know this is a discussion for a different thread and not where the op was trying to learn. I only responded to geoff in this thread as it was where he tried to negate my comment, not by adding any value or by negating what I said, but by negating me. I don’t stand for that here or elsewhere.

I am not sure where this came from

"So if you want to figure any of this out, it is ALL ON YOU. You can demand all you want but a sensible human being would ignore you.... and when you refuse and demand again, then expect to get smacked about. For all the right reasons."

or the rant w.r.t. patents?  How is that at all related to this topic and/or this thread or what transpired between geoff and I? 


What I really don't understand teo_audio, is why you are trying to shut me down?  What is your goal here? What are you trying to accomplish? It really makes no sense within the framework of this discussion.

They laughed at Bozo the Clown, too. He who laughs last laughs best. 🤡 Good luck with your Google searches. That’s the next best thing to cutting and pasting from Wikipedia.

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