What is wrong with audiophiles?


Something that has happened countless times happened again last night. Ordinary people over for a party listening to some music easily hear things audiophiles argue endlessly don't even exist. Oh, its worse even than that- they not only easily hear but are stunned and amazed at what they hear. Its absolutely clearly obvious this is not anything they ever were expecting, not anything they can explain- and also is not anything they can deny. Because its so freaking obvious! Happens every time. Then I come on here and read one after another not only saying its impossible, but actually ridiculing people for the audacity of reporting on the existence of reality.

What is wrong with audiophiles?

Okay, concrete examples. Easy demos done last night. Cable Elevators, little ceramic insulators, raise cables off the floor. There's four holding each speaker cable up off the floor. Removed them one by one while playing music. Then replaced them. Music playing the whole time. First one came out, instant the cable goes on the floor the guy in the sweet spot says, "OH! WTF!?!?!"

Yeah. Just one. One by one, sound stage just collapses. Put em back, image depth returns.

Another one? Okay.

Element CTS cables have Active Shielding, another easy demo. Unplug, plug back in. Only takes a few seconds. Tuning bullets. Same thing. These are all very easy to demo while the music is playing without interruption. This kills like I don' know how many birds with one stone. Auditory memory? Zero. Change happens real time. Double blind? What could be more double blind than you don't know? Because nobody, not me, not the listener, not one single person in the room, knows exactly when to expect to hear a change- or what change to expect, or even if there would be any change to hear at all. Heck, even I have never sat there while someone did this so even I did not know it was possible to hear just one, or that the change would happen not when the Cable Elevator was removed but when the cable went down on the floor.

We're talking real experience here people. No armchair theorizing. What real people really hear in real time playing real music in a real room.

I could go on. People who get the point will get the point. People who ridicule- ALWAYS without ever bothering to try and hear for themselves!- will continue to hate and argue.

What is wrong with audiophiles?

Something almost all audiophiles insist on, its like Dogma 101, you absolutely always must play the same "revealing" track over and over again. Well, I never do this. Used to. Realized pretty quickly though just how boring it is. Ask yourself, which is easier to concentrate on- something new and interesting? Or something repetitive and boring? You know the answer. Its silly even to argue. Every single person in my experience hears just fine without boring them to tears playing the same thing over and over again. Only audiophiles subject themselves to such counterproductive tedium.

What is wrong with audiophiles????
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And once again GK is wrong. Usually your "wrongness" is buried in stuff that seems right, but this time, You are all wrong. It is like you don’t even understand or know about the "Hall Effect" ... Yes, this time I will link to Wikipedia, as it will be at a level you may understand.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hall_effect

p.s. Current is defined as charge movement, and since the + charges are fixed, the - charges must move ... oh, and they are electrons. None of this is related to your also wrong impressions of how the fields that generate energy Vectors are arrived at by the way.

geoffkait18,240 posts11-14-2019 11:14amatdavid gets partial credit. Sadly, I do not dispense prizes for partial credit. In the case of the TV degaussing affects the picture quality, that’s true, by getting rid of stray magnetic fields - produced mostly by current moving through wires. But the mistake in logic is that current is not electrons. The picture quantity is not a function of electrons, which are fairly constant in number at any point in the system and any point in time. In the case of audio cables, electrons are not affected by magnets, as I described already, but the audio signal is. Anyone not following raise your hand.

Again, atdavid, you’re only partially correct. Sorry, no prize. More to the point your so called arguments don’t support any theory of how audio cables work. If you don’t know what the audio signal is just say you don’t know.
We know that the electron is an actual "physical" thing. We think it is an elemental particle because we have never been able to break one down into constituent parts.  We have even been able to take video of an electron:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ofp-OHIq6Wo

I thought you read phys.org?

https://phys.org/news/2008-02-electron.html

We’ve know what electrons really are ever since the famous double slit experiment, first performed by Young in 1801. We also know the size and weight of an electron. We also know it’s exact charge in Coulombs. That’s not (rpt not) theory, gentle readers.
“It’s a physical thing.” OMG, you really are behind the times aren’t you?