What is wrong with Audiophiles?

Attention span issue?

I -- repeat -- I, do not want to be one more unqualified comment in a long stream of unqualified comments, hence why I -- repeat -- I, don’t jump in on every thread about component X to offer my opinion. I don’t see the value in it, and it is My choice whether I will post or not. That is why I restrict my comment to supportable statements about more general topics in audio. There is no value in yet another comment. Do we really need another comment saying "B&W 80x is too bright!" or "no it’s not!". However, pointing out that some speaker makers consciously design a very wide emission pattern, and that if you find those speakers too bright, it is a room/speaker interaction issues, does have value. That is a post I made.

cleeds2,557 posts11-19-2019 10:42am Sez you. But this group does not exist solely for your amusement and satisfaction. Some of us enjoy reading about others’ listening experiences, even in the absence of definitive conclusions, and even in the absence of the scientific listening tests you keep asking others to conduct for you.

Engineering does not make the claim that the tiny number is swamped by the large number in audio.

Psychoacoustics makes that claim and backs it up with research.


Neuroscience makes that claim and backs it up with research.

Neurophysics makes that claim and backs it up with research.

Engineering uses the work of those fields, and their research to define the parameters for the products, methods, and concepts that they develop.  If you have an issue, it is with the above fields, not engineering. 

You may grand statements about "this is not the way the ear works", but perhaps you can back that up with some research from psychoacoustics, neuroscience, and/or neurophysics and show how "engineering" is not properly using these principles as it relates to audio? 

teo_audio1,243 posts11-19-2019 11:04am
Where engineering analysis makes the judgement numerically as a comparative value. And makes the mistake in the thought that the tiny number is swamped by the big number.

This method and way is absurd as it has nothing to do with how the ear works or how the ear hears. The measurement is correct. The concocted and assumed meaning of it is not correct.

That is the mistake.

atdavid

I, do not want to be one more unqualified comment in a long stream of unqualified comments ... There is no value in yet another comment.

Again, sez you. But this group does not exist solely for your amusement and satisfaction. Some of us enjoy reading about others' listening experiences, even if you insist they are "unqualified" and have "no value." That's just something that - sooner or later - you'll have to accept about this group.

I prefer my anonymity here, as I do consulting work in the industry, (but sell no products in this industry). My insurance (likely yours too) also specifically recommended against it.  It was your choice to show off your system. I have no such need for validation or confirmation. It would change not one iota the validity of what I post (or don't post). If you need a point of reference, when we last did our basement reno, I installed a dedicated theater/listening room. In addition to the basic room construction costs, there is about $8-10K of materials for acoustic treatment, emphasis on materials, as most of the acoustics are built into the structure, which looks better, and gives you better value as you are not buying finished products. All the acoustics was planned as part of the project so it was optimized, though we did some tweaking before locking down the finishing. By far the majority of our impressions of imaging and sound-stage are the speaker/room interaction (within limits of the recording), so if you don't have that right, no $ value of electronics is going to fix it.

Are you purposely ignoring the substance of what I wrote? I am happy for you that you enjoy other people's comments. Adding mine or not adding mine is not going to impact your enjoyment. I will keep choosing what I want or don't want to contribute. The basic premise of your post is dishonest since I rarely (almost never) post in discussions about specific equipment pieces, so if you are making comments about me, then you are making them about threads You enter where the comments you suggest don't even really make much sense to expect from me. That pretty much means your post is a troll post.

cleeds2,560 posts11-19-2019 11:22am atdavid

I, do not want to be one more unqualified comment in a long stream of unqualified comments ... There is no value in yet another comment.

Again, sez you. But this group does not exist solely for your amusement and satisfaction. Some of us enjoy reading about others' listening experiences, even if you insist they are "unqualified" and have "no value." That's just something that - sooner or later - you'll have to accept about this group.