Do we really need anything greater than 24/96? Opinions?

VI,

The whole point of the database is to keep track of how recording engineers and the industry are compressing music (unnecessarily). It is not relegated just to CD, but has been happening to Vinyl as well since the early 70's. It is a choice. The Average shows the decisions of the recording engineer. The peak is most reflective of the format potential. A CD or digital download can use it's peak DR throughout the whole CD if it so chooses. With vinyl, you will literally jump the track with too much DR, and you are limited in track space. The time is 4:04pm VI, not blue.

geoffkait

The discussion of dynamic range and the dynamic range database has *everything* to do with the discussion of data rate, sampling rate and format

Yes, of course. That should be obvious to anyone, unless perhaps they are seeking an argument.
atdavid

If you look at the peak dynamic range, which is the best indicator of the technical ability of the format ...

I’m not sure that’s even remotely true. It’s just another of your "opinion stated as fact" assertions.

... virtually all the top peak dynamic range albums are download, or CD (or unknown).

So what?

You totally don’t get it. There are relatively few instances in over 100,000 entries where the dynamic range of the same issue of CD is higher than the vinyl issue. That’s just the way things are. You lose again. Einstein has the same affliction, arguing wrongly until he was blue in the face. 🥶 So you’re in good company. 😬

I never said vinyl was immune from over-compression. That’s putting words in my mouth I did not say. However, vinyl over the years has fared much better than digital. Just look at the data. Hel-loo!

Whack a mole! The sport of kings. I’m thankful for this opportunity to play Whack-a-mole, in the future there are no more audio forums.

To someone who actually understands this data, and understands how it is calculated, then no, it is not an assertion, no more than my claim that 1+1 = 2.  You probably don't even know that while dynamic range is in the title, it is not even really a measure of dynamic range, but crest factor, from the average sound level, to the peak sound level over an arbitrary 3 second interval. The average, peak, min, are for the songs themselves, so that lists the average of all songs on the album, the minimum for the album, and the maximum for the album on a song by song basis.

The peak is more representative of the format, as it shows what is possible. Digital has no issues with playing loud all the time. Vinyl doesn't as there is not enough track space.

But that all said, this databases is not and was never intended to be an indication of what is possible in any format, but to push the industry to stop compressing CDs (and vinyl) so much, something that has been happening since the 70's, before CD existed.

That VI (or you) brings this up at all, really distracts from and adds nothing to the discussion of whether 24/96 is enough.

cleeds2,593 posts11-29-2019 4:05pmI’m not sure that’s even remotely true. It’s just another of your "opinion stated as fact" assertions.

... virtually all the top peak dynamic range albums are download, or CD (or unknown).