Which to Upgrade first? My Amplifier or Speakers?


I have owned a nice system for years, but I am hardly an audiophile. You people impress me with your depth of knowledge of audio. I've been following this site for some time. This is my first post.
From time to time I replace or upgrade components. I've got a tricked out Linn Sondek LP 12 turntable. I recently acquired a McIntosh MP 100 phono amp and am hearing LP's now that exceed anything I've heard on CD's and equal if not exceed the output of my SACD's. I bring this up only to give a flavor of what I listen to.
The issue is as follows: I have a McIntosh MC 206 Amp that I bought in 2003 that puts out 200 watts per channel. I have no issues with it, although I've never had anything to compare it with. I've read some impressive reviews of how much of a difference an amplifier can make to the quality of sound output. For speakers I have Magnepan 3.6R's that I also bought in 2003. I love them. I can only afford to upgrade one at a time - let's say in the neighborhood of 10 - 12K. So, I'd like to hear what this august body has to say about which I should upgrade first and why? The amp or the speakers? Thank you.
normantaylor
Hi Norman, 
We haven't heard anything back from you since your first post.
Would be interesting to know if and how your room is treated, what type of music do you enjoy. It seems you are quite happy with the job your current system does on the music you like and wonder if you can take the same sound to an even higher level?
Now in my late 60s, for the music I listen to: Contemporary, Light Jazz, light Pop, Blues, Celtic, Folk, Acoustic and  basically anything with good vocals and real instruments - I wouldn't even consider anything other than planars or electrostats. I love my little Maggie 1.7s but If upgrading, I would strongly consider the Maggie 3.7i with a pair of Bob Carver Crimson or Raven 350 tubed mono blocks or for solid state, possibly a Bryston 4B SST2 or Cubed. I see here on Agone and on AudioMart either of these combos used for around or under $12K. Sometime add a decent sub to augment the bottom 20-40Hz and considering how much you like the system you have, for the money, I can't think of anything that would do a better job at bringing that sound to a higher level.

Best of luck and happy listening.......Jim  
A majority of responses here lean towards replacing your speakers and I would generally agree. Perceived "improvements" in speaker performance tend to be a far more subjective exercise than improvements in electronics. In other words, take the same pair of speakers, rotate amplifiers, and improvements can generally be agreed upon by most. Naturally I (we) are not in a position to comment on what type of speaker will be most satisfying to YOU. However as you investigate the products offered by today’s finest research, design, and manufacturers of quality speakers, none are offering a planar design solution. The planar speaker has a very unique sound which many find most pleasing. No arguments here. But if your goal is to recreate the original image as accurately as possible then time spent evaluating speaker alternatives will be time well spent.
If one appreciates phase coherency, it is next to impossible to achieve in cones. Only handful of cone speakers are anywhere close to phase coherent.

Well set up planars in a good room image incredibly well.
Well integrated subwoofers set them free.
Hi Norman,

I have sold McIntosh and Maggies since the early 80's and many of my customers have paired Mac and Maggies together and would never consider changing, if they do upgrade they stay with those same manufactures. You must remember personal taste and system synergy are critical in putting together a system, Mac and Maggies have great synergy together so that only leaves your personal taste. (not someone else's)
I am going to make a few suggestions:

1. You have a six channel amp that is rated at 120 watts into 8 ohms, having worked with Maggies for decades I would suggest you sell that amp and buy another Mac that is rated at 400 (or better) watts in 8 ohms. For around 2 grand over what you get for the MC-206 you can buy a used 2 channel MC-402 (400 watts at 8 ohm) for around 3 grand extra you can buy a pair of used MC-501 mono blocks( 500 watts at 8 ohm) I think you will pleasantly surprised at the difference in sound quality.

2. Get a used matching pair of subwoofers. Single subwoofers are great for multi channel but you must have a matched pair for quality stereo reproduction. To keep up with the speed of the maggies the subs need to be fast. You don't need to speed a lot of money to get a good sub these days, especially used. The top three subs our customers match with maggies are REL. JL audio and the Vandersteen 2WQ.

3. If you do upgrade your amps make sure you have a good electrical circuit to work with, we like to install a separate 20 amp circuit for the amps and a dedicated 15 amp for the rest of the equipment. I know in a lot of circumstances that is not possible but at least put in a good hospital grade or better outlet and we also suggest getting upgraded power cords. Again don't go crazy spending a lot of money on the outlets and power cords, there are many good products today at very reasonable prices.

4. Room treatment has been suggested and we agree. Standing waves and reflections need to be addressed but it is complicated, time consuming process and can be expensive. DSP and the like could be a much cheaper and less agrivating solution. We have many customers who have no room treatment at all and are very happy.



Gentlepersons
Thank you all for your responses.  The diversity of viewpoint, science  and opinion has been interesting, facinating and entertaining.  Some of you sent me to the dictionary; others to links with your recommendations.  Some introduced entirely different avenues to attack the issue of improved sound.  I wanted to respond to each as they came in and have individual dialogue, but I see now that you just hit Respond and address who you want to talk to for the whole crowd to read.  Regardless, I do want to thank you all for taking the time for your feedback to my question.  Very cool!  But, back to business.
The entire point of my original issue is, I love what I have and know it is good.  But, like many of you, I'm looking for the next next step up to improve the quality of aestetics - or like Robert Harley conveys, go for the purity of sound - you want to feel like you're there with the musicians (or a concept to that effect).  That is a pretty high standard and I may never get there - but damn I'm loving the journey as I know most of you do too or you wouldn't bother responding to a post from a novice like myself.  
One of you asked about the rest of my system in order to better respond to my original question.  My original post had a typo in it.  Instead of a McIntosh MP 100 (phono pre-amp) I actually have the 1100 model (8K) which is night and day better.  I've played nothing but vinyl since I got it a month ago. I also have the Kandid cartridge for my Linn Sondek turntable.  I have a subwoofer from REL Stadium II (rebuilt entirely 2 years ago).  The reason I have a multi-channel amp now is because I have a home theatre attached to it.  Maybe some day I'll have a dedicated room for sound, but not yet.  My Pre-amp is a McIntosh MX 121.  There are no treatments to my living room where the system is - though I have a 15 foot ceiling and about 20 x 30 room.  I don't own the place so I'm not investing in treatments, though I got it guys, that would make a world of difference. 
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