Jadis Defy can't sing with super high Fidelity PART 2

OK so swaped out the Philips tall bottle ECC83F SPECIAL QUALITY for the new Pscane 12AU7,,,all the super high fidelity completely totally 100% vanished into thin air, 
Now here is the $1T Q?
How much super hi fidelity is resulting from the Philips ECC80F Tall Bottle Special quality and how much fidelity is from the Shugaung,,
IOW which tubes is creating the magic??
I can not experiement, as i shipped all my amperex BB 12AX7 NOS tubes to a guy selling on ebay.
So it will remaina  mystery,
Just how good the Shugaung really are, i might not ever know,,,Unless you want to send me some NOS for testing and i will ship back. I will pay both ship fees,. 

I can tell you this, the Philips tall bottle Special Quality ECC80 is creating some magic.
The Psvane 12AU are worthless vs the Philips

The first input tube position has the most impact on sonics. The Philips SQ are giving you the magic.

You’re using 12AU7’s, so the Philips PQ are ECC82’s and not ECC80, correct?

I’m running a pair and they truly are outstanding. FYI, the Philips PQ is the same tube as the Amperex premium; same tooling, same construction, both made in the Heerlen, Holland factory.

The tube says SQ special quality E80CC
the other side has Philips Minwatt E80CC Made in Holland Yes I had a a hunch the Philips SQ and Amperex PQ’s are somehow connected/same factory/same quality.
So I may try to not chase the Philips miniwatt’s up on bid at ebay, swiss sell has like 10 pairs,,I am winning on 3 pairs, but i know they go for $200/pr and i am at $35+ship, so I may not chase those Philips Miniwatt 12ax7 and go look for amperex PQ(premiun quality) as a cheaper substitue/same tube.
Wonder if the tall Siemens E80CC tall bottle are same quality sopund repro,  as Philips tall bottle, ??? I bought 4 more Philops tall and also 2 Siemens tall bottle. Overseas seller, will arrive in 2 weeks, will makea A/B with Philips.
~~~@lowrider57~~
Yes my hunch says it really does not matter which 12ax7 is behind the Philips SQE80CC as it is the PSQ making most if not all the magic happen,,as the Amperex BB’s (shipped off to a guy selling on ebay for me) and the new Psvane 12AU’s, neither lab comes even close to the Philips SQ, Faith Hill’s voice comes incredible alive with passion.
No snakeoil/hype here, I am telling you its like Night/day.
I had no idea the 2 front AU’s were that soniaclly important in sound quality.
I could have used every other AU in the world, Tele/Siemens etc etc,,and the Defy would remain DEO ,,,that is until the P SQ’s came to breathe life into the Jadis.
Yes , it is that dramatic in resolution. bass is unreal,,and get this,,the vol on the **Cheap chinese tube pre** is on little gain, I mean i could easily live with this **cheap** chinese Lite LS9 pre,,its not so cheap now,
had I used these Philips SQ’s in my JOR, I may not have sold it off. = the JOR would have suited me just fine,,i did not need this 70lb Defy7.
I think when word gets out about these NOS/old stock P SQ’s, the prices will jump double over night.
I am loading up now,

All tall bottle EC80’s will be hot items. I have Siemens tall’s arriving in 2 weeks,,will test vs the P SQ’s.

I will definetly sell off this Lite LS9 pre and buy the Cayin SC6 Mark2,,which employs 4 ~~~AU7’s~~~ as drivers.
Will dump the stock cayin tubes and place in PSQ or Siemens tall bottle.
I am trying to buy some P 12AX or Amperex PQ’s, to test against the Shugaung 12AX7T’s.
The Psvane AU’s look identical to the Shu AX7T’s construction.
My hunch is the Shu T series is really not so special in sound resolution, when in fact the P SQ is making all the magic haoppen. and so i need to know if the PSQ 12AX7 and/or the Amperex PQ 12AX7 ~~~possess this same magical quality as the PSQE80CC.
I can return the Au’s fora partial reffund to the US seller, but the 4 Shu I purchased from Douk/HK = return too expensive.
If I hear only slight dif in rolling AX’s, i will sell off the Philips/Amperex, and keep the Shu12AX7T’s.

OK, now I'm with you.
https://www.ebay.com/c/7017859417

You have Miniwatts. I have the Philips 7316 SQ, same as Amperex PQ. These are the premium 12AU7's.
You're right, Philips Miniwatts have a great sound and are affordable. I have a pair but they are short bottle.