Help a confused newbie build his first setup...


Hello everyone,

After saving my pennies for the last few years, I have finally saved up the money to buy some speakers but to be honest I am confused with two thing and would love everyones opinion. First off, what would be a better bang for the buck, floor standers or monitors?. I am a musician by trade with good ears that listens to everything and love to hear things as truthfully as possible. To me accuracy, neutrality, musicality, and soundstage are very important. For instance, I am not concern about bloated, unrealistic bass, since I know exactly how a bass should sound like. I need a speaker that can handle different situation effectively. Additionally, my living room is connected to a dinning room and kitchen. The living room itself is 20 X 12 with 10 foot high ceiling.

My other concern is how much do I need to spend. Right now all I have is a dac going going to airport express. I was thinking of buying a good speaker first then buying a fairly cheap amp and upgrade later. Is that the right way to go about it? I do know I want to use SS amp for this setup since it is overall easier for me. All this being said, I have collected $1000 so far but am not sure if this would be enough to get a good setup. I do not mind saving up if I have to.

What would be your ideal setup for the following price points (amp included if possible).

$1000

$2000

$3000

Thank you in advance and let me know if you would like more information.
aldres
Have to take issue w jdmobrow's
Get out to some decent stores and listen to some systems to get an idea of the type of sound you like....Look for good deals on used gear.
If you buy used at 'net prices you can invest your time to read reviews and literature (intellectual equity if you will), make a decision, try it out and resell at little/no loss if you don't like it. Or you can go to a dealer, pay his mark-up and benefit from his expertise and overhead. Many will let you try things at home overnight w a credit card swipe. But remember that he has made an investment in time, equipment, rent, etc which deserves to be re-paid. If you don't like the stuff, then fine, move on. But if you don't have a realistic intention of buying from a dealer it is dishonest and basically theft of intellectual property to learn from/audition at a dealer and then buy used from the 'net. Just an audio consumer here, not a dealer or industry person, but please, be honest. And not to quibble w Ojgalli, but as a musician, you must realize that aside from obvious equipment mismatches, there are precious few facts in appreciation of music. Lots of opinions, but I'm sure you all know what opinions are like...;~)
I would watch for some Paradigm Active 20's. They are active speakers that don't need an amp and sound amazing. Great place to start a system. If you source has volume control you can go right from that to the speaker.

They can usually be had for about $700 used on A'gon.
As you can see from the varied responses you have received, opinions on the subject are as varied as the number of enthusiasts out there. So I'm not going to suggest any specific speakers to you, or suggest that you buy new or used, or urge you to start with some piece of equipment other than the speakers. But as one who still remembers being a newbie myself, some practical advice:

1. Loudspeakers are a good place to start when upgrading, because then if you later upgrade electronics you'll be able to hear and appreciate the difference. And loudspeakers are the one kind of audio gear where it is still largely true that you get what you pay for -- generally, with reputable brands a higher price point will get you better bass extension and better imaging, at the very least.

2. At any given price point, monitors are probably going to have an edge with imaging, but floor standers will likely have better bass extension. And remember with monitors you will usually need stands, so you have to factor them into the total price.

3. When setting your budget, don't buy anything you can't afford to replace - accidents happen, and as I am sure you know, warranties don't cover accidental damage. So, if your upper limit is $3000.00, for example, and it took you years to save that much, you may want to limit your purchase price to about 60% of that amount -- otherwise, you could end up staring at expensive paperweights.

4. Since you are a musician, in particular, and new to the hobby, I would urge you to not purchase speakers you haven't heard. Do some research in your price range, and then seek out dealers that sell brands that interest you, and listen, listen, listen. Be sure to take your own music with you -- pieces you know well. Dealers tend to have carefully chosen "demo tracks" intended to make almost any speaker sound good -- you want to play and listen to the kind of music you like. I once discovered that a pair of"demo" speakers a dealer was urging me to consider had a damaged woofer only because I had brought along music I knew well that included organ pedal notes (the dealer replaced the woofer, and I ended up buying the speakers).

5. ¥ou can get into some really impressive arguments over the question of speaker cables -- I would say to avoid fancy speaker cables, at this point, and concentrate your money and effort on the speakers -- if high-end cables do make a difference (and boy, can you start an argument by introducing that topic among audiophiles and electrical engineers), it is incremental.

6. Keep your listening space in mind when looking at speakers -- if the space is relatively small, in particular, consider how the speaker is going to fit in the room and how much flexibility you have in placement. Smaller rooms and fewer placement options often make a monitor, rather than a floor stander, a better choice because they tend to be more forgiving and less boundary-dependent.

7. Most of all, take a little time and have fun looking at the options. As with many things the journey is at least half the fun.
The spk. will determine what type of amp you'll need. Generally, bookshelf spks are less effeciant and req. a good stand. Each have their advantages and disadvantages. As someone has already said, great pieces of equipment need other great pieces in order to sound their best. You could end up on the merry-go-round. But buying used is the way to go in case you don't like what you hear. A properly put together lower-priced system can sound fantastic. Start w/the speakers first, but don't get something which will need a very expensive other piece of equipment to sound good, unless you have the funds. Good hunting and hope things work out well.
You must go out and listen to speakers and amp combos. There are a few ways to do this. Bear in mind that what you like is correct for you and there is no one right sound. The options are going to a real 2 channel audio retailer with a good selection. Joining an audio group and listening to the members systems and finally getting to one of the big shows. If you don't hear it for yourself then all the audiobabble in the world written here and elsewhere will mean nothing. Sorry that is not giving you much direction but one guy likes Vandersteen 2CEs I don't so what. Another guy loves Hyperions so do I so what. Another likes Spendors etc. None of this means nothing if you don't know what those speakers sound like. It is the only way to go. Sorry.