There's a lot more bass in a 6.5" driver than most of you think

erik_squires:"What you are missing from my argument is bass traps. I never said EQ alone solves all issues, but rather that EQ and room acoustics are complementary."


Hello Erik,
     You're correct, I should have included bass traps in my post comment and understand you recommend using EQ in conjunction with bass traps for attaining good in-room bass response from a single sub at a designated listening position.
     Although I'm currently getting excellent in-room bass response throughout my entire room using a 4-sub DBA system with zero EQ and bass traps, I recently ordered about $3,500 worth of GIK room treatments, including stacked bass traps for all 4 corners and some 51/4" thick panel bass traps for the front and rear walls. 
      I originally was dead set against bass traps because it seemed silly to deploy a high quality and fairly expensive 4-sub DBA system in my room and then buy a bunch of large, expensive and ugly bass traps to sop up the extra bass frequency energy in the same room. I felt the bass quality was already near state of the art in my room, had difficulty imaging how it could be further improved and didn't want to jinx the bass quality I'd finally attained after years of searching for a bass system that sounded so powerful, dynamic, detailed, accurate, natural and integrated so seamlessly with my large Magnepan main speakers.
     But GIK, Duke Lejeune, you and others convinced me that bass traps will only further smooth out and improve the bass quality that already exists in the room. So, I decided to trust the consistent advice of the efficacy of bass traps ang give them a go.  I'll give an update after they're installed and I listen to the results awhile. 
     I'm always looking to improve the quality of my system so, who knows, I just may give EQ a go next. I'm kind of conflicted since bass quality is my most important priority but the simplicity of functionality is a close second priority 
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Tim

I'm not sure if this is applicable, but something I have noticed.

When my next door neighbors (several throughout the years) would play their small systems, it was quite audible in my space.  However, I've played my system, which obviously has much greater bass extension and capacity, and yet didn't hear it next door.

So obviously something in those small speaker systems was hitting a resonant frequency which was exciting the wall,  while my more spread out bass didn't.  Perhaps these systems (seemed like powered speakers) uses the resonant frequency to make bass, and higher end systems with smaller woofers don't.  

Hello Erik-squires,
Would you kindly describe your sub system and room treatment that gets you down to 16Hz? And the room size? 

Thanks,
Me

Ps: I like foundation cracking bass, when it’s in the music, I also like to hear the purr of the tremolo. Both are important to me.

thanks

Personally, I'd like to thank pirad and erik for their exchanges; it's one of the primary reasons I return here...^5's guys.

If you two hadn't disagreed, we'd all be the poorer and less informed of the nuances of the subject.  Which, like most audiophilia, is complex in itself....and is then plopped into our various and varied spaces....

....followed by head scratching and 'wt...' observations....;)

For the record, bass traps in my 'space' would be a physical improbability, as would most any other enhancements.  A long story that you can be spared.   Suffice to say, 'room averaging' from multiple locations to multiple memories.  This gets 'averaged' down to 3 'main' selections; an 'average entire', suitable for 'local Muzac", 'sweet spot', and 'center/all'....
...and then there's the different sets of speakers involved....
Yes, I keep notes....;p  My memory only has so many slots...*L*

Thanks again for your patience with each other...

Regards, J